Latest in Star Wars Media
- What has released since last year’s Star Wars podcast episode 255?
- Star Wars Visions
- Ending of Mandalorian Season 2
- LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special
- Bad Batch
- Does Audible count?
- Star Wars: Thrawn Ascendancy book 2 and 3 were this year
- Star Wars: The High Republic
- Upcoming releases you’re excited for?
- The Book of Boba Fett
- Ahsoka when it finally comes out
- Mostly because it should have a live action version of Thrawn
- StarWars Visions Ep 5: The Ninth Jedi asteroid grabbing trebuchet engineering exercise
- The battle of exegol is dumb….
- Star Wars Visions episode 9: Akakiri
- Lego Star Wars – Could you actually build…
- The stupidest spreadsheet ever
- TLDR: The only thing in LEGO SW Universe that could produce enough LEGO to build Death Star 1, is Death Star 1
- Technology in Star Wars
- What fictional technology do you think would make the most immediate impact on your life? How would you integrate it into your own work?
- Anti-gravity, repulsors (floating stuff)
- Vehicles are the obvious cool application
- I worked in a foundry
- The heat from the hot iron and the refractory sand constantly wore down the bearings in the conveyor system
- If things could just float it would be amazing
- How does anyone actually program these?
- In The Mandalorian it seemed like it wasn’t a simple task to reprogram IG-11
- Anakin “built” C3PO but did he really build it or assemble it?
- In the series they say to “wipe the protocol droid’s memory” it seems like whatever the tech is it is easy to wipe memory but not easy to change programming
- Outside of exploration and colonization would this really make an immediate difference in day to day life
- Power Density
- Anti-gravity, repulsors (floating stuff)
Previous StarWars podcasts
- Fifth Annual MacroFab Star Wars Christmas Special – Neo Jedi
- Fourth Annual MacroFab Star Wars Christmas Special – C3PO Steals the Show
- Third Annual MacroFab Star Wars Christmas Special – Vader’s Fake Fingers
- Second Annual MacroFab Star Wars Christmas Special: Jar Jar on a Harley
- First Annual MacroFab Star Wars Christmas Special
Special thanks to whixr over at Tymkrs for the intro and outro!
About The Hosts
Parker Dillmann is MacroFab's Co-Founder, and Lead ECE with backgrounds in Embedded System Design, and Digital Signal Processing. He got his start in 2005 by hacking Nintendo consoles into portable gaming units. He also runs the blog, longhornengineer.com, where he posts his personal projects, technical guides, and appnotes about board layout design and components. Parker graduated with a BS in Electrical and Computer Engineering from the University of Texas.
Stephen Kraig began his electronics career by building musical oriented circuits in 2003. Stephen is an avid guitar player and, in his down time, manufactures audio electronics including guitar amplifiers, pedals, and pro audio gear. Stephen graduated with a BS in Electrical Engineering from Texas A&M University.
Host 2 00:00
Hi welcome to the Mac fab engineering podcast sixth annual macro fab Star Wars Christmas special and we are your hosts, Parker, Dolman and Steven Craig. And where you
Host 1 00:30
Guessed Roz, and Hi, Ron,
Host 2 00:32
And Chris. And this is episode 307. So we've done six of these. So Steven, can you give like a short rundown of why this special podcast exists?
Host 1 00:47
Why it's so special? Yeah. Well, when when we first started the podcast we did you know, we were focusing on engineering and engineering topics. And then kind of what that was 2015 2016 and Star Wars, all the new Star Wars were coming out. And parking, I had the idea, why don't we once a year get together and talk about the technology of Star Wars. And we've we've kind of wanted to always evolve it into the technology of just science fiction. But there's just so much to talk about in Star Wars. So we're still keeping it right now is the annual Star Wars Episode. So each year, we kind of give a quick little rundown of just technology and Star Wars, but also our thoughts about just general Star Wars stuff. And it's sort of the one episode every year where we just get to geek out on Sci Fi and Star Wars.
Host 2 01:40
And raws and higher on had been on previous Star Wars podcasts. And this is actually Chris's, not Chris's first podcast with us. But his first on the Star Wars podcast. So thank you all so much for showing up and because you know, it's gonna be like two hours.
Host 1 01:59
These usually, these usually last a while.
Host 1 02:02
I finished my project last night. Procrastination.
Host 1 02:08
Wait, who else finished their project last night?
Host 1 02:10
I did. I didn't know we had a project.
Host 1 02:15
We usually just come up with a topic. You know, we have weeks and weeks to think about it. And then we finish it the night before. So we just pick random topics from any of the
Host 1 02:25
Movies or it's usually like 90% idea fairy. Oh, for sure.
Host 2 02:30
So what we normally do with these is we kind of first started about like what's been new in Star Wars over the past year. So let's start there. So since last year is episode which was up to 255 We've had Star Wars visions came out with the whole series of that. There was the ending Mandalorian Season Two because like when we did that episode last year, the final episode had not come out yet. Wow. It must have been like the next week. It was like three days later or something like that. There was the lego star wars were
Host 1 03:06
Screwed by that from now on. Even the book of Boba Fett doesn't come out to the 29th now
Host 2 03:10
Yeah, right. That's fine, though. Because you still have oh, we can talk about book Boba Fett next year. When it's not like in popular culture anymore.
Host 1 03:21
Plus, you'll have the whole season where with if you waited book a Boba Fett you only have like the first episode to talk about. Yeah,
Host 2 03:29
That's true. But it'd be the that would it would be for our viewer count it would be advantageous for us to do that though. So there was LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special that came out last year
Host 1 03:45
That okay, so that one was before the last Star Wars episode that we don't think we talked about it. We didn't talk about it. I remember watching it and being like, I'm not sure what I'm going to talk about.
Host 2 03:55
Is this what we're talking about here? Well, it has like teleportation in it.
Host 1 04:01
It's got a lot of stuff in it. Time travel.
Host 2 04:04
Yeah, that's right. Does have travel. It's the bad bad
Host 1 04:08
Travel and making fun of themselves.
Host 2 04:12
I mean, yeah, that's what Oh, LEGO Star Wars or Lego specials are? No, they're still part of the universe. And then I think Chris put that Chris put in some like, audio books, we'll just books that came out. I left those off because I didn't know. Like, I think there's only Chris and I are doing audio like actually do the audio books and read books for Star Wars. But yeah, those like the Thrawn ascendancy books came out. And then there's a whole new like the high Republic series. So What have y'all enjoyed over the last year?
Host 1 04:51
There's been a giant like Star Wars hole in my life. So the wife and kids and I started rewatching Mandalorian From the beginning, you know, so we restarted Season One, there's actually you pick up on a lot of stuff that you missed the first time. So we're about I don't know, an episode left in season one. So that's kind of like our Friday night thing. pizza and pizza and Mandalorian. So
Host 1 05:21
Waiting for Boba Fett to come out that looks good. Just wish wish it would be out already. It looks interesting. I think you're gonna they're gonna fill in a ton of gaps like how did he survive the Sarlacc?
Host 1 05:35
You know, how did you know? Basically that how was it? How's he life? You know? How did his armor end up with Cobb? Benson? Whatever the hell that name of that town was?
Host 2 05:50
Sure that's not gonna be a story for another time.
Host 1 05:54
Oh, Jesus. Don't Don't open that door. I'll walk through it. No, I mean, why couldn't we just have had fabro direct? The, the movies? Yeah. Well, that would have been good. And that's partly why I'm looking for it. I mean, I'm looking for the book of Boba Fett, too. And not necessarily because I was ever a huge fan of the character. I mean, to me, I never got the hype about Boba Fett, I thought he kind of went out like a sucker, you know, and in the movie, but
Host 1 06:32
Get knocked in the butt by a blind Han Solo.
Host 1 06:35
But but the thing I loved about Mandalorian and then his character and everything, it was the, the, the effort they put into the world building, it's just so amazing. Like, just the little details and you feel like you're there and you feel like the world is alive in a way that the last few movies just didn't feel like granted, their focus is different because it's just a movie. It's not like a weekly series. But that's like my favorite part. i Every Mandalorian episode, I'm besides being totally hooked into the story. I just love like wanting to see more of this world. And, and, and, and they're careful, even though they explain things. They're careful to leave enough unexplained that you're like, your brain can fill in your own ideas about things like when they went to that prison planet to pick them up. And there's you see, like all the rec Thai fighters and you see that at being used as a crane. And you're like, wow, how did that happen? Like, how did we go from that being like war equipment to being like New Republic is or new New Republic or whatever is using it?
Host 1 07:47
Because they're good at reusing all their junk?
Host 1 07:50
Yeah. But it's just kind of cool. They don't like they don't like look at you know, that. Like, they don't have a character saying, Oh, look, there's an ad that they turn into a grant. You know, it's just there in the background, you know?
Host 1 08:03
Yeah, I think you I think you hit on something like, that is super important. I was actually thinking the same thing, too, is they don't feel the need to
Host 2 08:14
Host 1 08:16
Like yeah, like, explain down to you like you've never seen Star Wars before, or, you know, in any good story leaves a little bit for the imagination to train and chew on. Right. So I love how Mandalorian is able to capture that while still keeping the story. I mean, that was what gave you Let's go back to the episode for right when they're talking about the Clone Wars. And Obi Wan is talking with Luke about his father was a jet pilot and or a fighter pilot and the best in the galaxy, you know that your brain starts going and in that, like, universe of Star Wars starts getting built out. And it's exciting. And you know, I think the movies kind of missed a little bit of that. That is really at the core of what Star Wars is.
Host 2 09:08
In Star Wars is very good at all. I'll say actually up until basically the sequels I should say, I guess Episode Seven, it was very good at making the universe and then going back and then like, it's very good at throwing darts and then putting the bullseye at the Dart. Yeah. And that changed in 789. And that's what Mandalorian was really good at is putting those bull's eyes out where the darts had landed in the universe.
Host 1 09:47
The Mandalorian also excels at pacing. It excels at giving you the information that you need, not any more at any one point in time. And then like you get what's coming next, but you're like Just show it to me I got it, I got to be a part of this, I got to follow this, like the pacing just walks forward at a great, you know, step. And one thing I'm a little bit concerned about with the Mandalorian is they have a formula and they just keep doing it. Every episode is like to be a little bit dorky here, but like a Star Wars RPG where it's like we're given the criteria. And here's the thing we've got to do. And here's the mission, then we go and do it, and then it's done. And then the Mandalorian goes off to the next thing. And you know what? It works, it works really, really well. And it's worked for two seasons straight. I hope it doesn't get stale, though.
Host 1 10:36
Like they're not so hamstrung to the arc, but it's loosely following the arc, which is what's nice about Yeah,
Host 2 10:44
And it does gives them a convenient pop point of like, okay, Mando can't keep the baby with him all the time. So the baby always gets up into trouble. Which leads to more shenanigans and that kind of stuff.
Host 1 10:58
Eating the offspring of other aliens.
Host 1 11:00
What the one concern that I do have about book of Boba Fett is that, that kind of formula that they have for Mandalorian if they just literally transpose and say, Hey, we got this formula that works. Here's how we need to lay out the episodes. And let's just make it and if they do that, too often, I mean, it works until it doesn't work. And then suddenly, you got you know, nothing works, and then you can't salvage it. So I'm hoping they at least, do something a little different, or try something a little different, but, but they also seem to be willing to use different writers and let different people kind of produce the episodes. And even though it's so it even has even though has an overarching, guiding individual. Within that context, there's people you know, trying different things and doing different things, so but I don't really know what to expect from except for the trailers. I'm not sure. Like, the content I've seen the trailers could literally be one episode. Or it could be the whole season. I'm hoping it's not the whole season, you know, like, but I guess we'll find out.
Host 2 12:11
I hope it takes place on more than just tattooing. Because I'll put this way is I'm actually kind of sick of that planet. Like it Why does every single movie and piece of Star Wars media had to end up
Host 1 12:26
At tattoo it was supposed to be like a galactic backwater to it's an outer rim world. Like, why would you ever go there? It's nothing but what everyone spends? Right, but everyone goes there for some damn reason. Like, come on Star Wars.
Host 1 12:40
Or they're born there. Or yeah,
Host 1 12:42
You know, that. You know, it'll be interesting though, to see. You know, he's got his sidekick will finish. And she was in the, in the Mandalorian. Right? She was that like, elite assassin? Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see, like that dynamic.
Host 1 13:04
I'm hoping to kind of explore that too, because we know that or we can assume from the Mandalorian that Boba Fett basically patch her back together and saved her life. But is that why she's hanging out with him? Like, does she have a skin like
Host 1 13:20
A blade get to him or something? Yeah,
Host 2 13:23
Yeah, life that my god. Chewbacca did solo to eat solo before that, though. So that's true. I want so I guess we're moving into like what we want to see the next year is I want to see because this book is bog fat and has a couple other shows coming out too. I want to see a planet that's got two biomes on it.
Host 1 13:55
That that's pretty good.
Host 1 13:58
Before we move on, has anyone seen bad batch?
Host 1 14:01
I was gonna ask the same thing. And I've watched half of it. I watched
Host 1 14:06
Two episodes and then
Host 1 14:10
It's Yeah, I
Host 2 14:11
Did really. It's like the Clone Wars. It actually has a lot of cool lore in it, but it's really written and built for kids. Okay. So, if you, Roz, I would, I would say you should watch it with your kids.
Host 1 14:27
Yeah, I mean, parkour. I was gonna see if my son would get into it. You know, I was too old. By the time Clone Wars really came around. Again, I was out of that target demographic, so it didn't really hook me. I don't even know if I saw an episode. But you know, Dave Filoni, the guy who's involved with writing in producing and directing on Mandalorian and now the book of Boba Fett was a you know a critical part of of that The Clone Wars in the Bad Batch series. So they're starting to work in pieces of cannon, if you will, that that are very, like specific to those two series, well, you know, Clone Wars into those shows, so I probably should catch it to just fill in some holes,
Host 2 15:20
I would definitely watch it with your kids. I only made it through half of the bad batch. It was good. I didn't stop because it was bad. I just stopped because instead, it's just not geared towards adults. And so I what I did instead was I just read the episode synopsis at the end when they all came out. And so I got the Lord dump. That's honestly all I cared about was that because I'm like, Well, I don't really care too much about these characters, because they're, they're very stereotypical, like, their characters in in slots,
Host 1 15:57
Right? It sort of reminded me of like, a really simplistic version of the character from Predator, but put them in Star Wars, where like, they all have like a stick. And they're all like a bunch of like, 80s badass characters in a in a Star Wars Show. And like this guy with bombs, and this is the guy who's like, with good tamper down things. Yeah. Time to bleed through that can
Host 2 16:21
That puts the plan together? And yeah, it's very, that way. It's just it's, this goes back to what we were talking about with Mandalorian we this that formula, they have a really good formula for how the episodes work. It's also the same way how the Clone Wars I only got like, Clone Wars has got like, eight seasons now. I think I made it to like season two.
Host 1 16:46
Well, it's, it's interesting to like, see, the younger, any, any really anybody younger than me. And like there's characters that are important to them that I, like don't even know don't even really know, like, Ahsoka Tano. Like she was a huge part of the Clone Wars. But like, I couldn't tell you the first thing about her other than, you know what I know, through just picking up from general Star Wars exposure. So
Host 2 17:16
That was actually the thing with with a named drops in Mandalorian. Season two,
Host 1 17:25
Well, she's getting her own spin off show from what I've heard. Yeah,
Host 2 17:28
We actually did talk about this, I think on last year's episode, because this episode had, I think just aired when we talked about it, where she meets mando on that.
Host 1 17:39
Swamp, swamp planet and it or something. Yeah, but
Host 2 17:42
It's only a swamp. Because it's Star Wars and one biome exist on each
Host 1 17:48
Planet. No. One monoculture? Yeah. I'll speak the same language, desert planet, ocean planet.
Host 2 17:56
And the Oh, and she named drops Thrawn.
Host 1 18:03
Yeah, that'll be interesting. That's going to be interesting that,
Host 1 18:05
That that's my whole reason for looking forward to Ahsoka, because I'm not attached to her character, but I am deeply attached to Thrawn. So like, I loved his character from the original Timothy Zahn series, that then got zapped out of, you know, fantasy, whatever out of existence. And Disney snap, rebooted. And, and that's, you know, going just briefly, I would mention, anyone who, like has audible or is interested in audible, just check out those Star Wars books, the new ones because I, I tell people, they're more like radio plays than books. They have sound effects they've used Oh, yeah. Different voice actor. I mean, that, and I absolutely love the throne books. But I mean, they're all like, well done. So if you know, if you want to create a way to just sit back and be entertained for a while, you know, check out the audible books.
Host 1 19:05
Now, it's weird I, I gave the high Republic a chance, and it's not bad. That's their new book series that they kicked off almost a year ago. It's about 200. To 20. BV. Why? So it's like, just prior to Phantom Menace time frame. Just going that chunk further back. And the only complaint I have about it is like they're kind of exploring the high Republic area. There's not as much like it doesn't feel like junk everywhere. Like they're kind of at the peak
Host 2 19:39
Peak of civilization of the Republic.
Host 1 19:42
Yeah. You can tell they're using it as an opportunity to plant seeds and characters for all their different book, comic book, maybe one off movie spin offs. But there's like little to no character development. you're introduced to like 20 people hitting you left and right left and right and you're like, What the hell's going on? Okay, maybe if I read this book or this chart teenage novel over. So I, I respect what they're doing trying to cultivate that era. It still has the best production quality like any of the other audible books that they do. But the story is just kind of like, I get that you're trying to introduce me to this and you're really going to take off with other books and other series and whatnot. Yeah,
Host 2 20:27
Cuz there's a new game coming out for that.
Host 1 20:32
A clip? Yeah. So that
Host 2 20:33
We don't have a release date yet either. But I think what's going on there hire on is they can't go pass episode. Well, yes. Money. Yes. Yeah. But they can't go. Because because Disney paid like $4 billion for this franchise, Okay, gotta get their investment, they got to get their investments. And as huge universe, and they can't they know if they go past episode nine. In this timeline. They're just gonna make people they're gonna make people angry still. And it can't retcon 789 Because I will make another group of Star Wars people angry as well. And so what do they do? Well, we're just gonna go in the past and go write our own new stuff, where it won't even matter what we do there.
Host 1 21:28
That's how I kind of feel about the throne books, because I've noticed that, like, they had the one where it took place in like, where he was actually in the well at one point empire. And then the other point when it was still Republic, but the but this last three, they all take place, outside of the whatever, you know, the in the in their area of space or whatever the chaos. And I'm like, I wonder how many of them back my mind. Even though I'm thoroughly enjoying them. I keep thinking they're probably keep doing this because they know the second he leaves. He runs right into the rest of the story. And then you go, Oh, okay. Part of that story has already been told. And then part of the story is yet to be told with a Ahsoka. So it's like, they're kind of trapped with those books to that they have this like narrow band of dates where they can tell stories and then and then they run into other stuff that they have to decide if they're going to establish it as lore or just erase it like they did with the expanded universe.
Host 2 22:41
Yeah, I always wonder why they ended up not using Thrawn for 789. I, I always go to what I think is the audience's would not have liked a alien, bad dude. Little two Star Trek. Could be a little two Star Trek, but I don't think audiences were like that.
Host 1 23:04
See? To me, I think they just didn't even have the imagination. Like, the people who are writing the sequel. That is true. Because remember, we know what cat they didn't even know. Like, I mean, I don't know, I'm probably wrong, but I just feel like they had a story in their head that they wanted to tell. And then they turned it into Star Wars. Like they said, This is the story. We'll just paper over it with these Star Wars themes. And we'll call it Star Wars in and I say that because if you look at new trek, JJ did the exact same thing. He just took track. Or he took his story he wanted to tell and then grab the bunch of Star Trek stuff, painted it over the story, call it track, even though it's not track, at least not to fans of track and, and so I don't know, that probably tells something about my opinion of the way letting him
Host 1 23:56
That's that's kind of my like, love and criticism of visions. Like when visions came out. I Parker and I were almost watching it at the same time, like texting each other back and forth. And in general, I'm a big anime fan. I love most of those studios. I think what they did is great. The only episode that I truly love, though, was aka carry the very last one. Because at the very least, the Sith when like, I, it upset me so much that Disney basically handed them the legends license and said you have free rein, do whatever you want. And every single damn studio is I want to show my version of the Jedi winning and the bad guys losing. And here's what their lightsabers look like. I'm like you have a whole Star Wars universe. It doesn't have to revolve around that. Yeah.
Host 2 24:49
Or how many times you can see a lightsaber or a blaster bolt being stopped in midair.
Host 1 24:56
Yeah, and I'm just like, it was cool. I'm like, please get more creative, you can explore so many different avenues of this universe or the darkest sides or grungy sides of it, which is, I think, why I love the Mandalorian or look forward to the book of both so much because nothing wrong with jet eyes, but I it doesn't have to all be that
Host 1 25:19
In that's totally like one of the things I loved about the first couple episodes of Mandalorian is I remember saying that the time when the Empire fell, that I said, it's, it's multiple planets, it's not just gonna end like something like that doesn't just suddenly go away. It's not like magic. You can't wave your wand and it goes away. And I'm like, it wouldn't there's too many people who are too invested in and maintain the system. Yeah. And that's what you saw the Mandalorian it's like, you know, the I forgot his name that he played the, the Emperor Verner Hertzog Er, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He was great. I mean, it's not his usual role, but that's what made it great. But he even has some lines in there like something like, does it feel safer, you know, something like that? And it's like, yeah, you know, those are complicated questions that I think chose should ask.
Host 1 26:24
You know, I was I was kind of hoping for that actually, in the Bad Batch as well. Like the Bad Batch, like the whole group of guys. They're all they're like a specialists like SEAL Team Six for the Empire. And I was I was hoping to see a little bit more of like, maybe even though it is a show geared towards kids, maybe just a little bit more like gritty on the missions that they go on. Unfortunately, I didn't see that as much. But in the two episodes I watched but you know, I feel like they they are starting to explore those kinds of things.
Host 1 26:56
You know, before I forget just related to tech, something that I absolutely loved about the last episode of Mandalorian or of its season finale, The Dark troopers. Oh, them showing up? Like they teased them a couple episodes earlier and
Host 1 27:13
A little bit of dark forces throwback there.
Host 1 27:15
So work. Yeah, sounds like you have no idea how much pucker factor they gave teenagers. You ran like hell from dark tubers. And it's interesting to see like that's their second or third generation because they used to just be for sensitive or people in su like super storm just like power. And it's interesting this Yeah, it's really interesting to see through the different eras they go from. We're gonna have armies and specialized troopers of droids to humans and clones back to droids. Like they're just starting to replace them again. I don't know if that was just to to make people who remember dark forces like giddy where I'm like, Oh my God, they're punching through the door. You
Host 2 28:04
Want the law? Reason why, though. Hi, Ron. There. Yeah, so Palpatine did not like droids because they were unsourced. You could not trust droids because anyone could control joy. And so that's why they like half droid now Palpatine I have no idea what he is
Host 1 28:21
3d prints. So that's what he is. 3d.
Host 1 28:25
He's he is a bad 3d print. And then there's like 30 copies of him and smoke sitting in like acetone melting down to New Palpatine film that
Host 2 28:36
Is dark. We talked about this last Podcast, episode podcast for Star Wars. But that whole line of how did Palpatine get back? I don't know. It's like that seriously, like the line in the movie? It's like, How How did this make it past? Like, one editor?
Host 1 28:55
Well, I think
Host 2 28:59
The characters just say I don't know,
Host 1 29:00
Somehow Palpatine is back. So
Host 1 29:03
That's that is the good part about the Lego holiday Star Wars special. They poke fun at all of those things. I think there was a part where Palpatine standing there. And he like looks down the shaft. And he's like, Yeah, you fall down there. There's no coming back from that. And they just stand there awkwardly.
Host 1 29:26
But But yeah, I mean, that I think really that does go back to what Chris said there earlier words. They had a story, the story what existed before everything. They had to paint, Star Wars logos all over that story. So they don't necessarily have to give all the reasons behind it because the story was paramount. The narrative was what they needed.
Host 2 29:47
I think we should move on because we're 30 minutes deep into this podcast and we still haven't talked about the main part of this podcast yet. Which Yes, it is Star Wars but we usually have like a couple topics that each of us come up with sometimes it's tech, sometimes it's theory work. Sometimes it's just bringing up a question and then we rant on it for a while. So who wants to go first?
Host 1 30:13
So I do actually have some prep, but I don't want to go it's not it's not it's definitely not as good as what Hi, Ron and Chris have I guarantee you but
Host 2 30:29
Can't go last than?
Host 1 30:31
No, no, you don't want to go last. I'll be sandwiched right in the middle. You
Host 2 30:35
Gotta be the filler episode.
Host 1 30:36
Host 1 30:37
Okay. You want me to go with with my theory and see what kind of stupid math I went through to see what happens. Do ya? Okay. And I'm going to do a screen share. And keep in mind, I'm having some weird two second delay. It is what it is.
Host 2 30:55
So how about this? Hi, Ron. So raise your hand when you want us to respond to something. Awesome. Thank you.
Host 1 31:06
Well, and can we will we be able to share this with the folks that listen later?
Host 2 31:12
They will just talk about it a chorus but people wouldn't stream can see it for sure. Yeah, no, we can share. We can share this. So later. Yeah. It'd be in the part of
Host 1 31:23
The show notes. Yeah.
Host 1 31:27
So So here's what I was thinking. And let me just be upfront about this. I hate Legos. No, I'm a LEGO fan. I know that some people's good Yeah, absolutely hate your engineers. Right. Why I threw myself into this. Yeah, and I hate Legos. i
Host 1 31:48
They're there to square connects guy or something.
Host 1 31:53
Host 2 31:54
Host 1 31:56
I was the guy with the little Radio Shack 201 kit where you pulled the little springs down and stuck in resistors and wires. Fair enough. That's what I was. So I was watching the Lego Lego holiday Star Wars special plus max macro fab with Hulu, ESPN. And I started thinking about, you know, building stuff with Legos. And they have the Deathstar in there. And so I was like, I, you know, pulling the thread. I was like, It's no fun to figure out how many Legos does it take to build the Deathstar. But can you actually build the Deathstar out of Legos. So, so let me walk you through what I what I found. And by the way to give credit, this wonderful image on the side, I'll call the person's name out when they got to the bottom, there is an awesome engineer out there that decided to make engineering schematics of all Lego types. And he even goes down with his micrometer to show No they're not 16 by 32 by 10, or 15.8 by 31. Point 8 million. So he's spot on with this, which I highly appreciate that. So, so I'm clicking on the damn wrong screen. So just for a frame of reference, I'm talking about the two by four bricks, right? Yeah.
Host 2 33:16
When people think of Lego, this is the brick you think in your brain.
Host 1 33:22
Right. If you wanted to build the Deathstar, you probably do it at a two by twos to be more efficient, but two by fours, okay? So length with high volume, and I reused like, Hey, if you want to build the earth out of Legos, what would you do? Because I would just want to double check my formulas right? You start with a known good, and then start swapping your numbers. Granted, there's a lot of Legends, different kinds of reference. I think one of them came from more tabletop RPG references where they're like, hey Deathstar, one radius was 60 kilometers Deathstar two is 80. Or whether 120 and 160 diameter respectively. But those are the numbers I use to set all this up. Oh, yes.
Host 2 34:06
I think if you were to listen to episode two of the Star Wars podcast, we actually went over this, of what the size is that stars are. So you could have gotten, we actually wouldn't depth on on because we came at the same problem with like, no one knows exactly how big they are.
Host 1 34:31
I put the reference in to be fair, they listed all of them and they're like, pick the one you want. I pick the one with kind of nice numbers. But I think in terms of the result I ended up with, it doesn't matter.
Host 2 34:43
A lot of these but we'll get there. That's what happens with law these calculations, it ends up not mattering.
Host 1 34:50
And this is why I do spreadsheets. You want to change it Sure. Yeah. It's 62.5 Make Parker happy.
Host 2 34:59
I think it's actually see XTS Well, we ended up finding out
Host 1 35:04
So, okay, pull the thread we go through here, I get the volumes and you know, in general number of bricks divided out by the volume coming up with Yeah 1.8 times 10 to the 20. That's not a tangible number. That doesn't really mean shit to anyone. Let's let's keep running with it, by the way, Krista Kristof Bartnik thank this gentleman for making engineering schematics of Legos because that's what people need to do. So, basically, I need 1.8 times 10 to the 20 bricks to make the Deathstar. The problem with the LEGO Star Wars universe versus that is, if you've seen the Lego Movie, you know, Lego people are small compared to the real world. And to make the math match, I can either blow up everything, or shrink down the Deathstar to keep things relative. In general, a lego person is one to 42 scale. So I scaled down the Deathstar by 42. And yeah, that's tangible, you know, 1.4 So about 2.8 kilometers is the diameter of the Deathstar when you have a little lego person that at least makes it tangible if you have little lego person, almost three kilometers in diameter. So I go through that, and I'm like, Okay, so the number of bricks to make Deathstar one, about 2.5 10 to the 15th. Still really far out there? Number of bricks, like that's crazy. And this is where this kind of manufacturing and scenario math gets weird, because Lego Company has some proprietary process, and they're super efficient at what they do. But annually, on average, they make 45 point 7 billion Legos. And you gotta imagine they have their system down, and I can't imagine where all those Legos go. But they make about 46 billion Legos a year.
Host 2 37:11
Maybe they're actually building that stars with them.
Host 1 37:14
I Right. Well, no, because if this is how many you need, and that's how many we can manufacture in Earth time. It takes 55,000 years to make enough Legos just to build the Deathstar. Steve. So
Host 1 37:29
I'm just curious about one aspect of this calculation here. Are you assuming that this is a solid sphere? Or is it like a shell of a sphere?
Host 1 37:41
It's it I'm doing solid? To be fair, I know some of it would be hollowed out. I could not find any math on how much of the interior volume of the Deathstar is hollow. Otherwise, I would subtract that.
Host 1 37:57
So this is a one kilometer solid brick of Legos. Yes, nice.
Host 1 38:03
We could shave off that time if we knew how much you know, P ways and loading bays and docks and everything. So Hi, Ron,
Host 2 38:10
I got throw another monkey in your in your calculation here. Oh, that you weren't. So we use the density of what a battleship would be? The calculate this out to as far as the like, how much steel would it take to build a battleship? Because you can get like the tonnage of a battleship and how big it is? Because it has. It has areas inside, you know, because they're mostly air inside, right?
Host 1 38:37
Well, actually, I it even further, like most of these bricks, they're not the bricks themselves are not solid, they have plenty of, of negative air. And so if you consider the negative space within a probably works, it's actually yeah, you might be right there. So so it's probably about right,
Host 1 38:53
That that is fair to point out. And I'm including that as well.
Host 1 38:58
It's probably closer to if not
Host 2 39:00
Just a big ball of ABS plastic.
Host 1 39:04
Right there. They're just hollow shell.
Host 1 39:07
I'll point out to the plural of Lego is Lego. So you can tell you're not a lego person.
Host 2 39:12
Host 1 39:15
No. I quit. So let's let's see how I keep prodding this further. Basically 55,000 years that's too long to make the Deathstar. Let me give them the benefit of the doubt in the Star Wars universe. They're better at manufacturing than we are right? So the fact that we're not as educated on their manufacturing processes and whatnot. What we do have a good idea about is energy and energy generation and energy consumption. So I threw manufacturing out the window and said, Let's just talk about the energy required to make the bricks So, even though Lego Company has honed down, I started with a 3d printer, average 3d printer, you have about 70 Watt hours, average time because people have been 3d printing their own Legos is about 10 minutes. So on average, you're getting about 40,000 joules of energy to make a Lego brick granted Lego Company doing 46 billion a year, they can scale up and do it differently. But to melt the ABS and do that, you're still spending a relative amount of joules. Doing so. So high end, you're still looking at one times 10 to 20 joules to make a Deathstar to make the Legos to make a Death Star. So I started going through and saying, Well, how much energy can I get out of different sources? And yeah, I was looking at like Tabata gas or Adonia them, coaxial them. And I found an awesome, even though it was on record, and they were going through and taking different scenarios from the movies. I'm going to jump to this tab real quick so you can see it. Have you seen this one before? Yeah, they take different sources and look at based on information given in the scenarios and scenes, they solve how many joules of energy it takes to power them. So you have BVA, you have lightsabers from Qui Gon Jinn versus Kylo Ren and blasters. So I skim those. I'm starting to repeat them and I'm like, oh shit, they already did this. I will use their numbers. So a blaster, six times 10 to the six. Some of the lightsabers you're getting between one and two and a half 10 to the ninth. At start a store melting a an asteroid, you're getting about three times 10 to 12x wing weapons up to the 13 Star Destroyer is vaporizing to the 14 whereas hyperdrive you're you're almost getting an extra joules, but it's not enough. So drumroll he love what I did with the spreadsheet right? The only thing with enough power in the Star Wars universe to 3d print enough Legos to build Deathstar. One is Deathstar. One at 2.25 times 10 to 32 job. So screw the LEGO Star Wars universe. It's a fraud. It doesn't work.
Host 1 42:34
It's yeah, it's like you have to use the weapon from the Deathstar to melt all the plastic all at once.
Host 1 42:41
Yes, I even looked at okay, if if the weapons on the Star Destroyers are powerful enough? Can they all work together to melt the abs? That is more than the number of ships the Empire has in their fleet? So yeah, you need to build a Death Star in order to build a Death Star out of Legos. Yeah, yeah, I got holes in it. I did it last night. You can
Host 1 43:06
Fire me. Well, and then the question, how many planets worth of dead dinosaurs? Do you have to, you know, drain in order to have enough petroleum for oil at abs?
Host 1 43:20
Yep. And one of the areas I want to look at, I couldn't get enough info was sense a lot of this pertained to, to the weapon energy usage, not exactly the hard drives or the hyperdrives. Because I thought the coaxial would be a better power source. But a lot of it was the Tobon a gas that you get off of baesman. And I think you would have to mine the entire planet of baesman. And you still wouldn't put a dent in there. It requires the power from kyber crystals in order to make it happen.
Host 1 43:53
10 to the 32 is a really big number.
Host 1 43:57
Well, it makes me think of I don't remember which of the Thrawn books it is, but Thrawn figures out that the Death Star exists just from studying the patterns of mining operations and where materials are going. And he's like, they're building something. And it's huge. And it's a waste of resources. And and it's like yeah, like because yeah, all you'd have to do is look at where all those resources are going
Host 2 44:24
That resource allocation is, was negative and thoughts like wait, what's thrown on is like
Host 1 44:32
The ones not good at cooking the books. Yeah, but
Host 2 44:37
For those out there that don't know about Thrawn Thrawn is like the nerd general in Star Wars, who's also completely ruthless
Host 1 44:46
And completely lacking political acumen. So he keeps getting in trouble when situations require people to be politically motivated instead of tactically motivated Although he was right, you could say it's easy to make someone right when you're writing a book. But that wouldn't the Empire had been better off with a whole bunch of Thai defenders than one giant space station that a couple teenagers blew up by shooting down event.
Host 1 45:22
I think games of attrition usually when and if you had to say we're gonna build this one Deathstar versus a fleet of 20,000 Thai fighters, 20,000 Thai fighters or bombers would have owned them.
Host 1 45:40
And even though it has a hyperdrive, it's like, it can't be everywhere at once. So yeah,
Host 1 45:46
Well, the thing is, I'm willing to go next unless anyone wants to. Cuz my whole spiel actually is basically disproving what you just said. And
Host 2 45:58
Host 1 46:00
So the title of my section is the battle of eggs a goal is dumb. So if anyone will, okay, Star Wars Episode Nine, they'll have the most the latest of the mainline Star Wars movies, ends with a giant battle on the planet of exile. And this whole section is just an absolute dumpster fire train wreck of enormous proportions. And so I decided to analyze chunks of this story that they're going through, just to start give throwing some numbers around to show that the numbers themselves get ridiculous, which just adds to how ridiculous everything becomes at the end. And the numbers that I've got calculated here are in the same vein as what Hi Ron did were like, you'd like the initial concept is like, okay, cool, we can we can start to get behind this. And then they just start blowing up into some real oddities here. So let me go ahead and share my screen. So you guys all see in my lovely word document here sorry, to all those who are on audio, we will have all of these documents available for you to walk through if you want to. It's good to go. But you have to acknowledge that we still have Star Tours flight 1401 there. So I started writing this up and posting all of the all of the links to the data that I'm getting here. I like to have sources I put a ton of sources on here because I want if you want to follow along with it, I got your absolutely you can go to all of these links. And there's a lot of fun stuff here. So I'm trying to back everything I have up with information that is from some form of reputable source, right. So first of all, so the show The End of Episode Nine, this battle of of exile, we have the what I don't even know what you call them the rebellion shows up on this planet. And they fight this 3d printed Palpatine and his like super ultimate army of star destroyers. And I think the it's it's an indication of storytelling gone wrong in a way. So I feel like Star Wars at least the 789 started turning into a little bit of the same problems as Dragonball Z. If anyone's ever watched Dragonball Z, there's, there's a certain characteristic about that anime that is both like fun to make fun of, but also like, this is kind of annoying, where every story is. Good guys find a bad guy that's really powerful. And then they have to find some way to come together and defeat big bad guy. Then the next thing that happens is, there's another big bad guy that's so big and so bad that the last bad guy was like, nothing. And then the smaller one after that is like, you know, 10 to the 32 times the last bad guy. And unfortunately, Star Wars sort of fell into that. There's a there's a small amount of that if you ask me in episode four, five and six, but they do it really tastefully, whereas episode nine just is a train wreck with it. And here's my quick little story about that. In episode four, the very first Star Wars that most people probably start with what happens in the very first scene after the Star Wars crawl. What is the very first thing that happens?
Host 1 49:40
The battle hands down. Yeah, never tattooing
Host 1 49:44
Right. You have a Carillion cruiser and you have how many star destroyers 111 And that one is super menacing. Right like you see this enormous ship and it's It's chasing after this Karelian cruiser, and it's super ridiculously menacing and they do have antastic job of being like, this is powerful. And then, you know, fast forward till later or even in Empire Strikes Back, they start adding more Star Destroyers, but not like, you know, 5000 more, they add like one or two more, and you're like, oh, one was a lot. Now we've got two or three. And then in return of Jedi, when they're having the battle outside the the second Death Star, there's like a whole fleet of them, but a fleet of them is still like a countable number, in a way, well, you know, keep going into the future into Episode nine. And we get to this ridiculous scene where Palpatine raises his hand, and star stories, you know, as far as the eye can see it fill the entire screen, and it's like, okay, well, cool.
Host 2 50:47
So you know what happened? Let's do an analysis real quick. hoping will happen. They rent out CG budget, and so they just copy pasted.
Host 1 50:55
Yeah. And they like, Oh my God. And it's like a perfect array of them. In fact, you can see it in this image that's here. It's like you can see them tiled across the screen.
Host 2 51:05
Alright, so before we jump into this, because we're going to talk about you're going to be talking about building this fleet, right? Yes, to some degree. Yes. So but the whole this is how dumb this movie is. Okay, because we already talked about like, the whole line with Palpatine is back and everyone's like, how it's like you don't that's not how you tell the story. But this section here, we're like, because there they go to exit goal to stop the Sith fleet which sure we're called the Sith fleet now, but like the do it they have to like destroy a tower because the tower tells the ships how to go up.
Host 1 51:44
Yeah, it's the brain bug.
Host 1 51:45
That's what it's gonna go it's basically an RF light tower because magnetic storm. We're gonna build 200 star destroyers. But now we don't have the budget for like a backup.
Host 2 51:55
Now the backup way of navigation. Oh,
Host 1 52:00
You guys have no idea. It is far worse than that. Do it you'll get no idea. Oh, so Okay, so let's let me just this is directly from Wikipedia, which is basically the the Encyclopedia of Star Wars knowledge on the internet. So exito, the planet itself, it's dark, barren, it's a rocky planet with desert flat. It's dry conditions combined with the rubbing of dust particles in its atmosphere create enormous static discharges that appear as lightning strikes from the planet's surface. The desolate world was covered with a normal, enormous fissures that reach deep within the crust. And then on top of that exit gold, nearby space was littered with the remains of megafauna, resulting in the formation of a cloud of red gas, and start us forming around the world which posed a navigation barrier. Now as a quick pause there. All that's telling me right there is that this is a wasteland planet, the actual surface of the planet is virtually useless. Right? Okay, so at the Battle of exile, according to Wikipedia, there's an entire list of all the participants on both sides here. Now, if you look at one of the scenes where all the quote good guys show up, there's legitimately 14,000 ships that show up. That's the number that they count in terms of like the Rebel Alliance, or whatever it became of them. But let's look real quick at just the the Sith side, which is basically part of the Sith eternal. What I wanted to point out is that the number of Star Destroyers that appear outside of Palpatine is little rocky base, according to Wikipedia is 1080 star destroyers. But these aren't your regular star destroyers. These are actually called Zeist and class Star Destroyers, which are like Star Destroyer destroyer plus, in a way. So here's some of the information that they give in terms of the Star Destroyer. So the length is about 2400 meters, which, you know, 1600 meters is a mile. So each one of these is about one and a half miles long. They're about the size of a 200 storey building tall. And then, so by using a handful of this information, along with some some of the other stuff I found in some of the links, some people have estimated the weight of one of these star destroyers at somewhere in the range of 4.8 million tonnes for a single star destroyer. And I'm sorry, 4.8 million tons for a regular Star Destroyer. And if we assume one of these zeigten class Star Destroyers is about 20% larger. The way I'm using in my calculations is about 5.85 point 9 million tonnes and then the size is 63.3 6 million cubic meters. So just absolutely enormous here. So there's a great article that's over at Forbes that if you get a chance I have the link, go read it. It's really funny. They actually, Forbes calculates the cost of a star destroyer. And one of the ways they do it is they they do a comparison to a US aircraft carrier. And information on that. So I kind of manipulated the numbers and did it and scaled it up to this Zeiss than class Star Destroyer here. So, in 2017, the US commissioned the general our Ford class aircraft carrier, which was is built by Newport News, it is about 1.8 8 million cubic meters and it cost about $13 billion to build. So if you kind of scale these two things, you know, this 1.8 million, or sorry, 1.1 8 million cubic meter, aircraft carrier up to 63 million cubic meter Zeist, in class Star Destroyer, you, you end up with the base cost of as Eisen class star destroyer in US dollars is about $693 billion,
Host 1 56:07
An enormous sum, right? Like nothing to blink at. But remember, in this scene that we have, at the end of the battle of eggs a goal, they have 1080 of these, so multiply that out, you get $748.44 trillion worth of Star Destroyers there. And that's literally just the Star Destroyers themselves, not the complement, not anything else, not the Thai fighters, just the Star Destroyers themselves. And according to Wikipedia, each one of these star destroyers can carry 72 Thai fighters, they have a complement of 72. Now I did I went and found some interesting information based on the Star Wars RPG, which says that a Thai fighter cost a brand new typewriter cost 60,000 credits, and according to the website, Quora, one credit is for US dollars. So a Thai fighter is actually about $240,000. And that seems really low. But let's just go with that number. So if you have 72 Thai fighters, on 1080 Star Destroyers, you have 77,000 Thai fighters at $240,000, a piece that actually adds to the cost only about $18.66 billion in Thai fighters, which, oh, that's
Host 2 57:32
A rounding error. At this point, it's
Host 1 57:34
A rounding error in comparison to $750 trillion. You might as well, right, right look like it's like, yeah, it's just like, here's the tip here to have 77,000 Thai fighters. Regardless, 700. Let's just go ahead and round the number to a nice $750 trillion for this fleet here. And that's just, that's just the cost of how, like, I've approached this. So $750 trillion,
Host 1 58:01
Doesn't strike you as odd that with these new and improved larger star destroyers, they can only hold 72 Thai fighters,
Host 1 58:10
It seems really small, right.
Host 1 58:13
Right. I would think like a couple 100 few 100. I'm thinking like Battlestar Galactica, where they can churn out 102. Anyway, that's what my mind went to. I'm
Host 1 58:22
Like, Well, I mean, oh, remember, they got the big laser underneath them now. Right? Right, they have the big, and I didn't even I didn't even include the laser in this cost. This is just my general numbers for this. Now, here's the next thing I did. And this is this is a bit of a stretch, but follow me on this. I went out and I found data on the earth right now, as of June 22 2021. The total wealth of the world right now is $431 trillion. Like if we just consider, you know, just straight up capital, but also assets and land and things like that the Earth itself is valued at $321 trillion. And that's for an earth population of 7.7 5 billion people. So I kind of back calculated, what would it what what kind of population on the Earth would it take to just be to have the earth be worth $750 trillion? And that would mean 13 point 4 billion people, that's the population that we could generally estimate for that. That's assuming that like, you know, like everyone's value, or value and worth would go towards military applications. So all of these numbers are just absurdly ridiculous here. So let's just let's just pretend that the population of exile in order to support building this 1000 Star Destroyer fleet would need to be 13 point 4 billion. Sith, what do they call them essentials, or I don't remember what they call them. It's 50 bucks. It's Yep. So 13 point 4 billion. And we already described that this planet, according to Wikipedia is basically inhabitable on the surface and completely, just absolutely ridiculous here. So, on top of that Wikipedia, it calls out that each one of these Star Destroyers has a typical complement of 29,585 service members in order to man, one of the star destroyers. So multiply that out tons the fleet, you need 31,951,800 service members to just man the star destroyers in this. So just to get the X on your right here,
Host 1 1:00:41
As Parker brought up, he doesn't trust droids
Host 1 1:00:44
So they gotta be people, and that'll be 30 32 million people just to fly these things.
Host 2 1:00:49
And so first of all, this 31 What 31,000,030 1 million people don't know which way is up. Okay, so they need to have a tower to control which way they're going up at. But to get to this planet, you had to have like a scythe, like, way Paulo gram cube thing. And had to go through like a warm hole tunnel thing through like the, the, what Krista called the Chaos Space. It's not called that I think it's called like the unknown region. Yeah, yeah. No, okay. Because you have to, because because x goes in the unknown region, how do they get 31 million people to the unknown region?
Host 1 1:01:32
Well, here's my question. Are they all Sif? Like, by definition, like what all these people running the ships be says, Now their contract? Contract? They'd have to be? Because isn't the old saying there's always two. It's like, so a master and apprentice of the sets are always just a master and apprentice, you'd have to have what
Host 1 1:01:54
Gets a lot of masters and apprentices? Yeah, 15
Host 1 1:01:57
Million masters or something? I mean, your quality would be getting pretty low at the end there, you know, you'd be going, Yeah, you look like aeromaster. Go ahead, you know,
Host 1 1:02:09
Host 1 1:02:09
There's a ray bring it up. I wonder if they grew up through clones, but obviously, they're not really good at cloning. Palpatine. Maybe it's a lost art.
Host 1 1:02:20
Well, like Blake Parker was saying earlier, like, you have to you have to find a Sith Wayfinder. In order to get to exile, they make it they drilled that into your head, that exile is this magical place that you can't just find no one knows how to get there unless you get one of these special magical triangle things that shows you how to get there. So broken dagger. So the whole point. And in fact, this comes off of a YouTube video that that I linked up, there's a there's a guy who has some really good comedy about this. They're not getting this material for all of these larger stories delivered, you know, because they're not going to UPS and being like, in order to get to eggs of goal, you have to first find this magical pyramid thing. And then like, get your weight like UPS is gonna be like, I'm dropping your package off in the middle of space did like
Host 2 1:03:03
No, but USPS would do it. Yeah, but
Host 1 1:03:07
They take forever to get there. Oh, yeah. And you couldn't track it. So so yeah. So that whole point of like, they made it very clear in the movies that this is a very secluded place that you can't normally get to tells me that every bit of the materials that goes into the manufacturing of the Star Destroyers has to come from Mexico itself, they're not getting that material, or the people delivered to exile. So all of this is homegrown in a way. So as the last part of this, just think about the manufacturing on that I found some information about how long they estimate that these 1000 at starter store years were created. They estimate about 30 years it took to build these now are aircraft carriers that Gerald Ford aircraft carrier, I mentioned earlier takes about five to six years to build one of them. So let's let's just assume that same situation where they go in six year cycles in order to build that to create 1080 In six years, you'd have to be building I'm sorry, 1080. In 30 years, you'd have to be building 180 Star Destroyers every five years. And if you take you know blow that number out, it takes 5000 to build each one. You have to have a complement of 900,000 skilled manufacturers to build these working, you know, virtually full time on this to create these all in 30 years. Now. All of this peel it all away. You have to have all of this Ready, set your leader Palpatine can be ready for the moment that his magical space granddaughter shows up. Like he can he can get 13 point 5 billion people plus the 32 million you know people operating the chips plus all these people building it. Ready Joe? just for that one moment that his face, wizard granddaughter shows up, like, this movie is just absolutely ridiculous on its head like that. And and it's funny because I was thinking so much of this when I was first watching the movie where it just there wasn't a need for this insane levels of everything going on here. And kind of back to what you guys were talking about if you if you spend $750 trillion, making this uber fleet or any any amount of that cert, wouldn't you think you'd have precautions against? You know, having like one master navigation thing? Wouldn't you be like, well, we're spending all this money already. We're spending all of our money. Let's make sure that every ship has this. And let's make sure that like a whole fleet of cavalry can't take the chips down like they do in the movie, right? So I thought it was fun to kind of dig through and just come up with these numbers that even if my numbers are off by an order of magnitude or two, it's still ridiculous. It's still absolutely obscene.
Host 2 1:06:03
I think the biggest problem with the fleet is not just it's not the cost really, because if you let's just say you had 900,000 workers, but what if they're Palpatine believers? Oh, I think we have Q ain on what's peon?
Host 1 1:06:23
Palpatine errs. Yeah. But then worshipping, like the original Palpatine. They're worshipping the 3d printed version
Host 2 1:06:30
3d printed version, but then you don't have to pay them. But the thing is, though, is where, like, there's no like, is there like a secret, like shipyard on Exigo that no one knows about that somehow someone built they're like, that's the thing is like, because the New Republic overeaten angles.
Host 1 1:06:52
Yeah, the New Republic took
Host 2 1:06:55
Over. In canon, they took over all the production places that you would build started stores that so it's like, Where were these women come from?
Host 1 1:07:06
So there is a comic book that references that it's Star Wars, Darth Vader number 11, where Vader actually makes his way to exit go. This is some time right before? What does it return to the Jedi in that kind of time frame. And he sees the beginning of them creating these star destroyers. So according to that comic book, like they are doing it in some like so they are building them there, then they are building them there, according to that.
Host 1 1:07:33
Okay, and maybe, I guess that just shows that. I don't know why I had this in my head. I swear you saw in the movie, but I must have not maybe it was in one of the leaked versions of the scripts. But it said the Emperor literally just willed them into existence. The Star Destroyers like he just wished them into existence. So
Host 1 1:07:53
That's what he did with Anakin so
Host 2 1:07:56
So so Palpatine, or the Sith or there wasn't the new order. Or like the orcs in Warhammer 40k. They believe hard enough, and thus it exists?
Host 1 1:08:11
Well, they do say the exit goal is like a nexus of dark energy. Where like, The Dark Side of the Force is amplified on that planet. Sort of like, what do they call them? Ley Lines here on Earth, where people believe that there's like, demonic energy amplified at points on the earth? I think it has. It has like parallels to that. But I'm not sure. I'm not sure. It's It's described as being that powerful, where the Palpatine can just snap his fingers. And that appears, because if that's the case, why didn't he just do 2000 or 10,000? Or
Host 1 1:08:47
So yeah, I'm, I'm sure I'm wrong. I it might have been in a leaked version of the script, that, that that was in there that he just somehow use the Force to create all the star destroyers.
Host 2 1:09:00
Chris, that would have been too dumb.
Host 1 1:09:04
If this is just a small amount of data or a regular amount.
Host 1 1:09:08
You know, Steven, something that your calculations leave out that makes it even more dumb and inconceivable. And I'm going back to your to your, your Ford reference, and I looked up like some spaceship, like NASA Space Shuttle type stuff. So those ships wouldn't say existed for like 30 years, or they were built over 30 years over 30 years. Yeah. Every Star Wars movie, even some of the spin offs. Ships are fragile. They literally can't take one or two voyages without ship breaking and having to go into a dock and getting stuff fixed. 90% of your system's lifecycle budget is an operations and maintenance. So all that money that they spent making them on this horribly corrosive The destructive planet that's full of gases and static and lava flows and all that those ships are getting beat up left Palpatine
Host 2 1:10:09
Lightning everywhere. Yeah,
Host 1 1:10:11
Your maintenance crews would basically by the time they fixed the last ship, they'd be going back to the first one and starting over to repair it just sitting there out in space you're right like that environment that the ion radiation would have to be like terrible with all that lightning.
Host 1 1:10:28
Yeah, if he was smart, he would have put them out in orbit because that's at least less of a destructive environment than down on the planet because they would just be in an endless like modernization, tech refresh obsolescence elimination recycle fixing things like you wouldn't have all those ships working at once the majority of them would be constantly under construction and maintenance
Host 1 1:10:54
Well on top of that they even mentioned I mean, it's it's part of the story in the movie they they can't use their shields when they're in the atmosphere but they could have if they were outside the planet
Host 2 1:11:08
Why can't they use it because of
Host 1 1:11:10
The ionizing radiation in the atmosphere all that all the lightning on eggs ago? But can you can you just see the 32 million service members all being like, oh my god, she's finally here. Like we can waiting for this.
Host 1 1:11:24
It'd be like the kids of the people who you know, like the children or grandchildren of the original service members going she's finally here. Grandpa was right.
Host 2 1:11:37
I heard stories about the real Palpatine
Host 1 1:11:41
That movies dum
Host 2 1:11:43
Dum. Who wants to go next?
Host 1 1:11:49
Well, Crystal Roz.
Host 1 1:11:52
I guess I can go because mine is not super not super sexy. In any way, shape, or form. I guess I should probably share my screen so you guys can follow along with the back of the napkin. math that I did. Alright, so like, like I said, we've been watching Mandalorian. Right. So there's two. There's two particular scenes in my mind that kind of had me scratching my head. Alright, I'll start with the easy one. Well, I'll let me rephrase that. I'll start with the one that has a little bit of groundwork already laid for us so that we can we can jump into it. So let's go back to Episode One. Right phantom minute. Trade Federation's got this blockade on Naboo. They seem to Jedi to negotiate with the Trade Federation, things go south pretty quick. Long story short, they locked themselves behind a couple of blast doors. Through the magic of, you know, watching the film a couple of times, you can kind of get the dimensions of the blast doors, more or less so Qui Gon plunges his lightsaber in there to try and breach the blast doors, then they close the secondary blast doors. And you'll have to take my word for it. But roughly, you know, Liam Neeson is about 6364, I think depending on what you look up, it looks like these blast doors, the diameter the area he's going through. And then the depth once the closed, the secondary blast doors are about a meter thick. So this is obviously some kind of magical space metal. But let's assume that space metals better better than just carbon steel. Because that's what we have. And if we just use plain old carbon steel and try and calculate how much power this sucker is putting out in order to melt that volume and that mass of steel within 11 seconds, which is how long it takes for it to start falling out of that cylinder that he's melting. Right. So due
Host 1 1:14:02
To the Do we have a data sheet for space, space material,
Host 1 1:14:06
Or no I don't apparently there is a specific type of metal that those things are made out of. But Matt Webb doesn't list it stats, but he does list the stats for carbon steel. Right, so the density of carbon steel, and I'm going to use freedom units because I'm not an engineer. So all of you that care I don't so the density of carbon steel, it gives us a range here from point 103 to point 292 pounds per cubic inch. It looks like that volume of steel that he's melting is roughly a meter and a half ish by about a yard and a half by about a yard deep. So that gives us a cubic inch at 2000 and a half roughly cubic inches.
Host 2 1:14:57
How many Kenyans hose that long? That's slug.
Host 1 1:15:01
Slugs? Yeah. Listen,
Host 1 1:15:05
I was gonna say you're on point raus the jewel calculation that I did that I borrowed from, they did that for that same scenario and in in non freedom units. Yeah, and
Host 1 1:15:17
People have done this and I found it literally on research gate.com Somebody published a, I guess this is some kind of thesis or something or somebody had way too much time on their hands, they came up with 6.9 megawatts of power in a lightsaber. Now they're using titanium is their their proxy material, I'm using carbon steel, there's obviously different properties,
Host 2 1:15:43
They're a federation ship, so it would probably not be made out of primo
Host 1 1:15:48
Material. That was, that was my exact I was just about to say that, like they're cheapo, they're not going to use
Host 1 1:15:54
Its pot metal pot metal blaster,
Host 1 1:15:57
Well painted gray and a blast or would be designed it would be a material that's optimal for the loss. necessarily heat I mean, you know, it's it's, it's, it's, it wants to resist over pressure bending, it wants to bend a bit, you know, so it's going to be more ductile or whatever. So
Host 1 1:16:17
The only thing I could think of that would be like an analog, you know, in our current, you know, maybe some kind of composite hybrid like they use on tanks, like a ceramic type of hybrid, or some kind of hardened steel, high carbon hardened steel potentially, like ar 500 aren't played armor. I'm going with low carbon steel for a conservative estimate here, right? So it's likely higher than this.
Host 2 1:16:45
Well, they're they're blockades completely legal so it's probably not a battleship or anything like that either. Good paltry civilian ship
Host 1 1:16:53
True you know, as the Senate would know, it's just meant to you know, close off the vacuum of space in case you have a breach or something right from some drunk driver crashing into your space station
Host 1 1:17:04
Also meant for deflecting blaster bolts this is not meant for lightsaber action
Host 1 1:17:10
Still it's it's you know about a meter thick you know it's I mean sorry a yard thick freedom units so hey it it put a man on it put multiple men on the moon so don't know it also
Host 1 1:17:22
Crashed a thing into Mars because they didn't purge That's a great story.
Host 2 1:17:32
So Anyways, long story short do like how you got BTW you in here? Well, so that's, it should be anywhere you went full hog on we look at
Host 1 1:17:43
Matt Webb. I'm just going by what they're telling us here. Yes, it's point per pound per degree Fahrenheit. So that basically you have to dump that many BTUs into a pound of low carbon steel to raise it one degree.
Host 2 1:17:58
It's like a, it's like a no, I'm just I'm envious of how much you're sticking to the, like imperial units, instead of going with metric at all. I want to know how many C's I want to I want to switch the jewels by now. But you're you're like I'm doing beat to you.
Host 1 1:18:19
Hey, well, you know, go for it. You gotta answer with the one that brung you. So total energy, right? So melting point of carbon steel, 2600 degrees, we're, let's say, room temperature, 70 degrees on our Trade Federation blockade chip. So we need to go from 70 2600 yada, yada, yada. You're looking at about 4.6 million BTUs of total energy to liquefy this column of steel, this cylinder of steel that quite quite guns melting. So you work out the conversions. You work out the time, it takes about 11 seconds. I'm coming up with point one two megawatts of power, like instantaneous power that this sucker puts out. The paper that I found is much higher. He has about seven megawatts of power. So roadsigns obviously, it's titanium. Mine's much more conservative than his. I probably also did my math wrong, but let's just be conservative and say it's, you know, half half a megawatt of power that the suckers put out now,
Host 1 1:19:36
And that's continuous power.
Host 1 1:19:39
Correct? Correct. Right. So that's like continuous. Now, let's, here's where the Mandalorian part comes in. You've got a soy Katana which we've talked about and do you remember when she fought that? I think the color the magistrate on that SWAT planet She's got that spirit meet at a pure best car. Well, they like lock horns and start to duel. So because got her to lightsabers, and there's a point where she, like touches that spear and they they kind of like pair each other and they're locked up for about a good five seconds based on just my one 1000 to 1000 Right. So here's some pictures, right? They're looking at each other. Yeah, I'm gonna kill you. Yeah, I'm gonna kill you. No, I'm gonna kill you. So now you've got two cylinders here touching each other. There's obviously the conductive heat, right, and then the diameter and the mass, which we don't know what best car is. But my point is, if you remember the covert on Navarro, they've got that blacksmith down in the sewers. And she just grabbed a piece of best car and throws it in her little butane torch, and it melts like a piece of solder. Right and looks like well, much. Like how many nuclear power plants worth of energy is she dumping in to that, you know, pound of best car steel? That mando just handed her in order to make a shoulder P syrup
Host 2 1:21:14
And the breastplate and they're poor and they pour the best guard like you would like steel or aluminum. Like, like it's a normal temperature.
Host 1 1:21:25
Yeah, now a cup. A couple of feet away. Like wouldn't that
Host 1 1:21:29
Be hot? Exactly, exactly. Yeah.
Host 1 1:21:32
Well, that's good to see it probably, like vaporize everyone in the room instantly.
Host 1 1:21:37
I was also thinking yeah, you know, given the specific heat of a best car. It's gotta be okay. If best car is melting two feet away from someone wearing a full suit of armor and best or you got to be getting cooled
Host 2 1:21:52
Down for hours. Yeah, yeah, I actually I do you have any more ROSC I have an idea. That's my
Host 1 1:21:58
One. One other one which is not nearly as elaborate or complex. So later in the season one, they evacuate the covert all the Mandos either are either dead or gone. The only persons left they go. He goes back with the drop shipper and Apollo Creed and the droid, right? And she's the only one left. Well, they talk to her. They take the lava river out to the lava flats, and then a bunch of amps show up and she does her kung fu fight scene with him. She's got a black a couple of blacksmithing hammers. Now your average blacksmith hammer. About three pounds two to three pounds. You know the average MLB baseball player swings their bat at a 70 miles per hour maximum. It doesn't weigh three pounds. I think your average bats like 3334 ounces, something like that. So couple pounds. Let's say she swings that sucker she's just like a badass mando she swings that thing at 50 pounds. Right so that that gives you again freedom units 491 foot pounds of energy. This is on par with about a nine millimeter bullet. Now granted, nine millimeter bullet is nine millimeters in diameter. a blacksmith hammers what inch and a half in diameter. Yeah, it's spreading the inner there's a scene where she stands up and smacks a stormtrooper right in the face. You would think the helmets the thickest part of their armor. Cracks it in half, right? Just you can see is like teeth fly out or something. The point is she has enough energy in her little hammer to basically shatter his face. Again, nine millimeter bullets the same amount of energy but you got a different, like impact. It's distributed over a different surface area. So you would imagine it's substantially lower. I didn't have time to do the math. My point is, you're better off putting your storm troopers in paper mache than you are plasteel or whatever the hell this stuff is like it's useless essentially. She can crack it with a hammer and bust this dude's face open. We have things that are like thick as this hoodie that I'm wearing that stopped nine millimeter bullets like right now in modern time. That's stepping pistol rounds is no big deal to Kevlar in some of the materials that we have. Which is modern technology on Earth. Much less magic space technology that melts best car in a matter of seconds.
Host 2 1:24:44
I have to to sew one an idea of how they can melt it not like destroy everyone in the room. Okay, you could be met with energy, like a mic Wave.
Host 1 1:25:01
But it's flames. If you look at if you look at her Forge, its literal blue light, it could just be the butane lighter, it
Host 2 1:25:08
Could just be the ambience.
Host 1 1:25:11
Well, it could be a good particle stream of electrons of charged electrons, right. Okay.
Host 1 1:25:17
But But microwaves not going to be in the visible spectrum.
Host 2 1:25:20
No, but that's just that. That's like the
Host 1 1:25:24
I'm hypothetically poking at.
Host 2 1:25:27
The I'm saying is that's like the ambience. It's like you having like, a fake woodstove? Like a wood fireplace. It's not for heat. It's just the look at so
Host 1 1:25:36
Is it their version of the Amish fireplace?
Host 2 1:25:39
But yeah, for it's part of the tradition, because Mandalorians are all about tradition. But I actually it's fair when the tourists come to the sewers. She can really like jazz it up. I actually was thinking about what Ross just talked about with the hammer. Maybe she can hit the best car so hard that it will she impart so much kinetic energy into the best car with her hammer that she can melt it?
Host 1 1:26:03
Well, I didn't even I did. Okay, so let's that's why
Host 2 1:26:06
She can be a second whack a stormtroopers helmet
Host 1 1:26:09
And half. I didn't map this out, either. But let's think about it. After she pours that ink it she forms it into a plate. Then she sticks it under some kind of hydraulic press and stamps out a shoulder piece for him. Okay, we just watched her melt that thing. This sucker. It takes blasters and lightsabers before it starts to melt. Now obviously, I know that the material properties tensile strength, you know, elongation, elasticity, all that junk is different than the energy it takes to melt something. But the point is she's got one hell of a highlight hydraulic press down in that sewer.
Host 2 1:26:54
So it could be that best car has the property about it. That makes it because well, why is it melt? But no, no, what laser lightsaber is probably some, let's just think of hypotheticals is some kind of frequency plasma beam. So it's oscillating at some frequency and same thing as the blaster bolts, whereas it would melt at normal temperatures but it's able to reject certain frequencies like a lightsaber frequency or blast or frequency because we see it's gonna be interesting
Host 1 1:27:29
Some kind of like harmonic cancellation cancellation but we're gonna fight like a it's like the Bose headphones of the combat world for this Yeah, I
Host 1 1:27:39
Was have to believe that because the whole forge scene, I mean, we're over plays and it was but like, the whole forge scene is so unlike an actual forge like yep, you know, when you're making weapons you don't melt like this is the worst thing you could do is melt the iron and then pour it or steel or whatever and cast and yeah, yeah, like you you need to form it to get the you know, the strength flow of the carbon everything to be in the right directions. And so there must be something about best car that once it's in that liquid form, and then once it kneels or whatever, it changes its physical properties to what it is the other thing is, it might be great against energy weapons, but I don't know if I've ever seen it used like someone use a dirty weapon.
Host 2 1:28:35
That's all it's gonna be really
Host 1 1:28:36
Brittle. You know,
Host 1 1:28:38
I kind of liked that theory because you've seen mando get his ass handed to him by the quiet dragon. And that was basically forced trauma that is him getting Yeah, if you think about it in terms of okay, if what how am I trying to point at this? Things which are weapons are powered by Tabata gas, so maybe Tobon a gas when it's turned into energy can only oscillate at a certain frequency so you you are getting harmonics or your with best car and lightsaber you're getting some kind of reflection, some kind of harmonic total internal reflection that bounces also another if you wanted to make it work, but when you use kinetics against it, yeah, you can det you content and crack Mandos armor and he's got to repair it but blasters. How about how
Host 1 1:29:40
About best gar is a material that shares properties of both metals and ceramics such that at particular temperatures, it can melt, but at extreme temperatures, it actually is hardened in a way such that a lightsaber or a blaster bolt, it hardens but you can see They'll pour it like a metal at lower temperatures.
Host 2 1:30:02
And I was gonna go out with is we were we're looking forward to the book of Boba Fett Baba FETs signature part of his helmet is a big dent in it. How did that dent so
Host 1 1:30:16
So so so so so
Host 1 1:30:18
He was drunk and he hit his head
Host 1 1:30:20
Apparently Boba Fett armor is not made of best car. It's made of different materials and dura steel. Apparently Gengo was, you know, late the day they were handing out the best car whatever, and cheapskate you know? I didn't I didn't
Host 2 1:30:46
Want you to grow. Yours was supposed to be a parade uniform.
Host 1 1:30:50
You're supposed to put it on the mantel and show all your friends when they come over. You're not supposed to actually fight in
Host 1 1:30:55
It. I swear the Alibaba listing said best car
Host 1 1:30:59
Wished.com deskah son
Host 1 1:31:01
I just wore this to cosplay at Comic Con.
Host 1 1:31:04
Wish wish.com best
Host 2 1:31:05
Car. I like it Roz. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting to think because I actually never thought about because that whole scene of forging it does it look cool. Yeah, you're totally right though. You told me right if it's a metal metal, it doesn't make sense. But I'm gonna I'm gonna say the theory of we're going to take that melt smelting seen and like it is poured and then stamped to form armor. It's probably some kind of frequency rejection from energy weapons because has mando ever been hit when he had his best armor was ever hit with like a Slug Thrower.
Host 1 1:31:49
So the only thing that comes close is when Moff Gideon shoots the E web power pack and it blows up and then he gets the head trauma. Right? But they I mean, there's no hole in his helmet. Right? So you would assume it like shrapnel maybe went up his helmet somehow without taking his head off? I don't know. But no, I don't. Wait. Isn't in the first episode when he gets that? Like blue fish guild guy doesn't suddenly shoot him with a Slug Thrower, then?
Host 1 1:32:25
Yeah, I don't know. I'd have to go back but
Host 2 1:32:26
He doesn't have best grades beskar armor, then?
Host 1 1:32:29
That's true. Okay. All right, I yield my time to the gentleman.
Host 2 1:32:34
Now, it's interesting to think about when you see more
Host 1 1:32:37
Budweiser cans, or when you see more
Host 2 1:32:39
Star Wars figure that one out. Because I'm going to do mine. Next because I think because curses are like, questions to think about. And I think that's a very good way to end. So mine is I did I actually enjoy I think one of the few people in this group that enjoyed Star Wars visions. And I'm going to do a scene from Episode Five soars visions, the ninth Jedi.
Host 1 1:33:07
Can I interject something real quick? I, I love this about Parker and I love this about the fact that he chose this. I asked the other day, I was like, hey, which which episode of visions are you doing? And he told me that it sounds like okay, I'm gonna go watch this just to see. And Parker chooses, like, a really obscure, like, few seconds scene that I thought was more pivotal to the entire story. And it's not, but I will just not wait for this thing that's in this like, a few seconds in one episode. Yes.
Host 2 1:33:41
So episode five of servers, visions, like Jedi. There's a very, it shows it a couple times, but the pretty brief scenes where it shows rocket powered Chevy chaise. And when I saw this, I'm like, oh, man, this is like awesome, like McWrap engineering podcast topic right here. Because it's like, it's throwing stuff. It's got cables and rockets. And yeah, but so these Rocket Power trips, Shay's aren't used as war siege machines or anything like that, but they're for mining, asteroids and rocks that are in orbit of this planet. And so, but they're not asteroids. So I tried to figure out like, the first thing was, what are these objects called? Okay? Are they they're not asteroids, not meteors. Like what are the objects that like orbit or make up Saturn's rings in our solar system? Apparently they called like moonlets. So Moon let's and so I'm like waiting lists that if it's orbiting it's a moonlit Yeah. So it's a moonlit so that the the small objects that make up Saturn's rings are moonlets and there's like Dustin's I'd like that. But the larger objects that you could see are called moonlets. And so I'm like, Well, let is an old French. So I like immediately. I think I was hungry when I was doing this, because I really also thought of omelets. And so but so the suffix let's an old French means, like, super small. So, if there's an omelette, isn't it? I'm big.
Host 1 1:35:27
I want to see an arm.
Host 2 1:35:29
An arm. Yeah. So I don't, I might be missing something there. So there's also another word that's used for the describe these objects called mass con, which is mass concentration. So any mass in this in the, I guess universe could be a mass con, but that's how they at an astronomer would describe these kind of small objects. Anyways, so how these treasuries work is they have a counterweight like earthbound treasure che. And then they sling a arm grabber thing, like I and it's rocket powered. So it slings the grabber out. And then the rockets fire, and the arm goes like a jado rocket straight up in the atmosphere to snag when these moonlets and then once it grabs the targets, it the line goes tight, and then the rock falls to the ground, like almost instantly. And so it takes about six seconds total from like the grabber going out to the rock falling down. So here's a nice little picture, I'll post this on the podcast notes of like, all the tribute shows lined up. So what I just wanted to explore here is what kind of forces are involved in this system to make this kind of work, so we're going to have a couple of assumptions. Because this is Star Wars, and we can't have, you know, the tensile strength of best car at our disposal. So we have to come up with, you know, Earth analogues like Roz did with steel and that kind of stuff. So our assumptions are earthlite needed and BTUs it'd be actually I'm an old metric, and I just have conversions to Imperials, just so that Americans have something to base it off of, because not everyone knows what 100 1000 kilometers is. But you say 620 miles, you're like, oh, yeah, that's this is Houston, the El Paso it's like four
Host 1 1:37:41
Host 1 1:37:44
Three football, fewer Windsor.
Host 2 1:37:47
So yeah, so my assumptions were, they're on an Earth like planet so our size. And then the object would have to be in like the lowest stable orbits. Given our atmosphere, makeup and gravity. It could be different in this in this episode, but we're gonna go with this. So I actually just googled, like, what if you put Saturn rings around Earth? And try to figure out like, what would be like the lowest orbit? The lowest ring would be so that that's where the moonlets would be right? And apparently, it would be roughly around. Or according to the University Corporation of atmospheric research, I don't know if that's legit or not, but that's where I found this information. It sounds legit. Sounds legit. It would be above the atmospheric layer known as the thermo sphere, which reaches as high as 620 miles or 1000 kilometers. And that's all 1000 kilometers and like, ah, simple number. You know, nothing too complicated about 1000 kilometers. So we're gonna go with 1000 kilometers is how far the Chevy che is launching up to grab one of these moonlets. Now, when you watch it in the episode, it's clearly closer to that, because you can actually like see the grabber go up and get it. But it's like, well, you know, whatever. We'll keep going on our stuff. And so then I'm like, okay, so that objects, how that moonlit has to be orbiting the planet. So how fast is it going? orbital velocity is velocity equals the square root of the gravitational constant times total mass divided by orbital radius. Use the gravitational constant for Earth. And then you kind of just ignore the mass of the object because the mass of the planet is just so ginormous. You don't really have to worry about it. You get basically 19,964 meters a second, which is pretty quick. And then looking at the size of the object,
Host 1 1:39:56
That's 65,000 feet per second, by the way. Yeah, it's
Host 2 1:39:59
Host 1 1:40:01
Which is mock mock 86.
Host 2 1:40:03
Yeah, well, it's coming in more impressive when it starts really in that object back. So looking at the like, basically, I basically looked at like the picture of the grabbers and like the doorway, and been like, Okay, if a human was standing there, the grabber is a little bit bigger than human head. What's bigger than the human head? A beach ball. So we're just going to use a beach ball as the size of the object. Because a beach ball is about a half meter in diameter and a half is a good number to use. So what material would they be mining? What do you think? Well, the episode is about building lightsabers. And lightsabers have a material called Varium. In them, which is a Star Wars material, not a real life material. Because Varium is very, it's one of the best conductors, and heat sinks for the Star Wars universe. So it makes sense that they will be mining Varium in this episode, but we're just going to
Host 1 1:41:08
Temperature superconductors. Basically, that's
Host 2 1:41:10
What it is. Problem is we can't just look up the density of barium because that doesn't exist.
Host 1 1:41:18
Well, they gotta be able to handle six megawatts, so they better be pretty damn. Pretty damn
Host 2 1:41:23
Correct. So I just use silver. Silver is the best conducted that we have. And at room temperature. And so I just said, Okay, we're just gonna go silver, because I can't find the density Varium. calculate out the volume of a beach ball since our size and the density of silver is 10,497 kilograms per meter cubed. So our beach ball of silver weighs 687 kilograms, which is a tad over 1500 pounds. To Volkswagen. Yeah, it's a Volkswagen but the size of a beach ball of a beach boat. Yeah. And our other assumption is material science be damned.
Host 1 1:42:11
Yeah, you pretty much have to in this case, I'm thinking. What was that was like, Okay, so the trebuchet arm, I don't know, if you go into this, you probably you probably do something like the speed at which the arm has to fling in order to get things up there. At the end, I have something about that. Okay, because actually, material can can go that fast and not.
Host 2 1:42:36
So I'll get to that at the very end. I have like a closing note section about that. So let's say you fling this grabber up there, and it grabs the object and the cable goes tight. How much force is applied to that cable? Well, you're basically going from all the momentum that that object has to zero, because actually, we'll pull it back down. So it has the past zero point, which would be the maximum amount of force applied to the cable. How much momentum is that speech Bill has is 13,053 kilograms per meter per second, which is it's a lot. And so basically, we have to also calculate the impulse, which how much how much space is that momentum changes in in that time? If you look at the video, it's kind of hard to tell, but it takes about three seconds from when the grabber grabs it to when it starts to fall back down. So we'll say three seconds there. Which means we basically get I think that is 4,571,007 56 Newton's of force or a bit over 1 million pound forces. Which is that's a lot but not unthinkable because they Rocketdyne f1 engine can do 1,000,007 and 46,000 pound forces. So an f1 engine can actually deorbit this object in less than three seconds. So it's perfectly doable, right? But we're doing it with a wire. So how big of us just plain Jane steel cable if we're just gonna use a plain Jane so cable. Could we do this? Yes. And actually kind of reasonable but it's not a normally manufactured parts because they I think they basically make split like plain staying plain steel cables up to like two inches in diameter. We will need about a five inch diameter steel cable to make this work but you could do it and that's only using a regular plain steel cable which has a 350 mega Pascal Well, tensile strength. What you can use more exotic carbon steels and stuff that gets that tensile strength up higher. But 350 is like the cheap steel. So, go Steven.
Host 1 1:45:14
Well, okay, but I don't know if you're taking this into account, but like, sure the little thing you're trying to grab is like 1500 kilograms. But you have to roll the cable. It's yeah,
Host 2 1:45:25
So yeah, so that five inch calculation for the diameter. I actually had that in here. leaves no safety factor or regard to the weight of this enormous cable.
Host 1 1:45:38
Yeah, cuz like, it's like boat anchors. You know, the anchor. Yeah, actually, what stops a boat? It's just the weight of the chain. Yeah.
Host 1 1:45:47
Yeah, and I'm wondering like, how do you get that?
Host 2 1:45:51
That's so you could use a more like, say, carbon nano graphene table? Yeah, we're graphing some more friends by just saying could you even make a steel cable that could handle that force? And yeah, you can you can make a five inch steel cable. Stop A Rocketdyne f1 engine. So doable. You could good. All right, so we've captured her objects with our grabber and we have a cable that could hold hold through that impulse basically a force well likely increase its its rotational speed. Well, it has to get back at in three seconds. Go into the video, three seconds, okay, so as to travel 1000 kilometers, and three seconds, which is 333 kilometers per second
Host 1 1:46:44
206 miles per hour.
Host 2 1:46:48
Most asteroids slash meteors enter the Earth's atmosphere at 20 kilometers a seconds. Like the fastest ever recorded is like 86. So we're, we're like 16 times faster is the average speed of an asteroid entering the atmosphere. So Varium is going to have to be a lot more heat resistant than silver to make this work. And so I was like, how do you calculate crater impacts because that's what happens in this in this episode is when it hits the ground makes it impact crater. Purdue actually has an impact crater calculator that you give it density, your object, your size, your angle impact what it's made out of, like the all the different materials. And using that calculator. Our estimated crater size is actually about 50 meters. And so I plugged in there was like 45 degrees. So like if it grabbed an object out there, it would probably the object we had this would swing down as it grabbed as it pulled in. So I said 45 degrees, and also that gives us the smaller crater size. And it looks like soft, like they're on like a salt lake bed. So like a sand surface. It's about 50 meters, unfortunately. And the episode, the crater looks to be all 10 meters wide. So in this picture here, I estimate basically that the speeder bike is about like probably two feet wide or point six meters wide. And then I drew out on the on the on the image how wide this crater would be in the crater is like 10 meters wide. So maybe the object is not as dense as silver. Or maybe the dirt is softer than sand. But another thing to think about is the kinetic energy of this object flying towards being reeled in at 333 kilometers a second if we just kept the density of silver. it soars. Yeah, it's actually not that bad. It's not that bad. But it basically ends up being a 9100 tons of TNT is the Energy Impact. Or what is that? 38 trillion joules? Which actually is not bad.
Host 1 1:49:14
The bomb that wiped out Hiroshima was 13 kilotons. And you're calculating nine?
Host 1 1:49:19
Yeah. From grabbing some space into the earth. Yeah, it's
Host 2 1:49:24
Not too bad. Yeah, that's not too bad. Too bad. So why attribute che because in the clip, they actually aren't using the treble che to get the grabber into orbits because it launches the grabber away, and then it jado rockets up.
Host 1 1:49:46
So it just gives it the initial oomph.
Host 2 1:49:48
So I was so I was thinking about this is why tread mache while the arm would allow some so let's say your cable was like super slow. Star Wars material that has zero flex, well, you will need some flex in there in your system. And so the arm could be your flex, right? Because it's attached to top of the arm, it could allow a little bit of a, like a spring motion on it. So he could slow down these impulses that make these numbers super big like you can slow down the momentum change. It also allows launching that rock jado rocket farther away from the workers and housing to a safer distance. So it could be a safety thing. Or also it just looks freaking cool.
Host 1 1:50:37
That's it's kind of the same concept of the What's that company that makes the centrifuge or they're trying to launch to launch and launch spin launch?
Host 2 1:50:49
Yeah, basically, by flywheel. Yeah. So like, DJ in Twitch chat says there are Russian missiles that are thrown into the air before they ignite. So maybe that's that is it if they're using the trebuchet to launch the grabber jado rocket away from the workers.
Host 1 1:51:10
I think your final assessment makes the most sense, which is cool. Looks cool, because it does look cool. Considering the Star Wars universe. There's like, I could probably think of like 100 better ways to do it using tech that exists in the Star Wars universe.
Host 2 1:51:28
Host 1 1:51:29
But the question I have, as you're saying in this episode, they're mining these moonlets, whatever for the material to use to make lightsabers. How much demand is there for lightsaber?
Host 2 1:51:46
Well, so the thing is about making this
Host 1 1:51:50
An emerging market, okay. So,
Host 2 1:51:52
So in this episode, is post order 66. And so there's a small group of people who are trying to rebuild the Jedi Order, and they need to make lightsabers. And there's a person who knows how to make a lightsaber on this planet. And he's making he's like the Samurai Sword Maker. Kind of set up, although making like nine lightsabers, and so it would make sense he would need a lot of material to do that. A lot of unique elements.
Host 1 1:52:25
What's so so in episode five or six when Luke builds his lightsaber back? Does he just go down to RadioShack? And get some Varium? Then
Host 2 1:52:32
Or probably? Yeah, I'll probably take some sort of joy to do it or whatever. Yeah, no, fair enough.
Host 1 1:52:38
Well, and in this episode, too, I mean, this is certainly not canon. But they have it set up where like, you don't know the color of the blade until like, you ignite it. And it like, senses, you're who you actually really
Host 2 1:52:51
Read, dammit. Well, they started bringing that back. I was actually what was really interesting about Star Wars, visions, is they kind of retconned Disney's way of doing the colors because Disney's way of colors was like, Oh, if you're a good guy, it's blue or green. And if you're a bad dude, it's bread or Perez and Jackson, it's purple. Yeah, but in Legends, it was it dependent on the person that ignited the blade,
Host 1 1:53:22
Right. parently apparently there's some force, like skill required to build a light. That's why you can't just like build more.
Host 1 1:53:30
It's the alignment of the chiral crystal. Yeah, right. So yeah, I
Host 1 1:53:33
Thought it was just which color you picked when you're at the Star Wars experience.
Host 2 1:53:39
But that's like the visions, they kind of brought that back from, from Legends as
Host 1 1:53:45
To how I thought visions was like explicitly non canon.
Host 2 1:53:49
No, it is not canon. But they they brought that idea back of like, Sith crystals are like evil and like are like staticky and, and aren't like those crystals have been corrupted. Like they brought that back in. I mean, it's not canon, because none of visions is canon. But they brought that idea back. I thought that was really cool that they even thought to do
Host 1 1:54:12
That. You know, I always wondered about that with Kylo Ren owns a lightsaber.
Host 2 1:54:18
So, so you want you want the real reason about that one? Hi, Ron. So Mace Windu is fighting styles actually like a Sith? So his Mace Windu is fighting style. So
Host 1 1:54:30
That's why they gave him the blend.
Host 2 1:54:31
Host 1 1:54:32
The real reason is because he was like Joe, like, we wanted other purple. And Lucas was like, well, they come in green or blue. Like, nope, it needs to be purple.
Host 2 1:54:43
And then And then he said, Yep, you can have a purple one.
Host 1 1:54:46
So then they paid a couple grand for some screenwriter to write that in for you know, a few hours and Yep, there you go.
Host 2 1:54:53
But so the the lore reason is because his fighting style allows him to tap into it. anger and emotions but then he's able to pop back out of that when he's done fighting
Host 1 1:55:05
Well from one point of view the Jedi are evil
Host 1 1:55:12
Next time on the macro Feb Star Wars
Host 1 1:55:15
Not over not over yet was
Host 1 1:55:18
One thing real quick just just a thought that came to mind if you look at Kylo Ren lightsaber he's got the the one blade with the two little thumbs coming out the side but the way that they the way that they draw it it's not as clean as a lightsaber you've seen before
Host 1 1:55:37
Which shaver Yeah,
Host 1 1:55:39
Yeah it almost more it almost looks a little bit more like flames than it does light energy beam away. What what could be a cool theory is that Kylo actually kind of sucks a little bit at making it in his crystal isn't as perfect.
Host 2 1:55:54
That's actually no that's the law reason why. Yeah, that's the law reason isn't really totally what it is. Yeah. Now now it's it's actually option threes it looks really cool. But the law reason is because he actually didn't really have any person to learn how to make a lightsaber from so we kind of made this means you only had partial teachings from Luke to build a lightsaber
Host 1 1:56:18
Gives off gamma rays, but
Host 1 1:56:20
You know, I could see my bones when I'm when I turn it on, but it's It's alright.
Host 1 1:56:28
It's like I left the academy before I learned like proper lightsaber building. I was sick that day.
Host 2 1:56:39
But again, it goes back to Star Wars is really good at throwing a dart and then putting the bullseye underneath it later. I any more questions about jado? Rocket trebuie chaise.
Host 1 1:56:55
Want to build one but no. Yeah,
Host 2 1:56:57
They do look cool. I'll say I saw that. I'm like, I want to talk about five seconds of this entire episode.
Host 2 1:57:07
I think it could be cooler though. I think that scene could be cool. Like if it didn't use rockets, and it was actually flinging the grabber arm up there. That'd be cool.
Host 1 1:57:16
But so a quick note about Star Wars visions. I think they got the what's the sequence of episodes are it's a little bit off. Because I watched I watched the first four and I was like this shows kind of dumb. And then I was like, I stopped and I asked Parker which one do I need to watch for this show? And he said, Episode Five I watched that was like, Okay, this is cool. And then I noticed that Hi, Ron mentioned in the notes to watch episode nine because he had some kind of comment about that. And I watched that and was like, Dude, that one's cool, too. Like they should put those episodes as one and two, as opposed to like ending the whole season because the first four are a little rough. I really
Host 1 1:57:58
Want to see a season two where I'm like, no jet is just explore everything else.
Host 1 1:58:04
Yeah, well, yeah,
Host 2 1:58:06
They had to do jet as though and going back to what we were talking about earlier with episode 789 had like a story. Well, they don't have a connecting story at all. They just made it work. But originally it was a story and they put Star Wars over it. Right? They want to tell the story of Ray basically. Well, that's actually what they they actually did that with visions is that they said make a story, and then just use our assets for Star Wars. Basically. I saw like a lot of them. There's definitely some really weak ones. But then the good ones just make it worth
Host 1 1:58:43
It though. I want to see a Tarantino visions. Oh, yeah,
Host 2 1:58:47
I'd watch that.
Host 1 1:58:49
That would be extremely gory.
Host 2 1:58:53
Like Star Wars isn't though. Like, people get cut in half with lightsabers and shit like that.
Host 1 1:58:58
It would be Star Wars with a lot more blood because most of the time when they get out there cottura
Host 2 1:59:03
It'd be a lot more Samuel Jackson saying bitch.
Host 1 1:59:06
No, in MF er, that's,
Host 2 1:59:09
Yeah, that's true, too. Yeah. I was thinking about the Hateful Eight. He said vitual on that movie.
Host 1 1:59:22
All right. So what's what's what's left?
Host 2 1:59:25
Chris, take us home.
Host 1 1:59:25
Okay. Um, what I was thinking about was one of the, like, the things you see in tech, at least technology that you see in Star Wars, that if you could, like wake up tomorrow, and our scientists had discovered that, like, what do you think would have the most significant impact on our lives or maybe your own work or the things that you design or build or whatever and I had A bunch that were like not Star Wars, but I'll stick to the Star Wars when maybe someday we can do a general science fiction episode. But the first one that jumped out at me is the, I call it anti gravity or repulsors are basically the things you see that make everything flowed from, you know, the speeder bikes to the to Luke's sands, whatever it was called the speeder. So that was like the first obvious application. But I also thought about it from a manufacturing standpoint. Many, many years ago, I worked on a foundry. And we worked with molten iron and the, the the casks that had refractory sand and hot iron, when they would roll across the bearings. Like every day, we were in there replacing steel bearings, because the whole system just was constantly being watered down by the pressure and heat. And I thought, well, if you could just make things float, like, what would that do to like the the design of an assembly line? You know? And I don't know how accurate the floating could be like, could could you make it just move? Like, like, could you have a pick and place machine like, just floating panels in you know, so that that was my first kind of thought, like, what do you guys think about that?
Host 2 2:01:25
Like, anti gravity or just something that would impact our life? Well,
Host 1 2:01:29
Likewise, anti gravity, but including, like just being able to make things float anything, like being able to make anything float like it doesn't Star Wars.
Host 2 2:01:38
I think it would make just transportation very interesting at that point. Like, I think hot rodders and stuff like that would immediately go hog wild with that kind of technology.
Host 1 2:01:52
Well, so I mean, you bring up another interesting point, right? You mentioned the bearings, right? And the wear and tear of the weight of the object not having to be held by the bearings. But like, what if the bearings themselves were made of the anti gravity material, right? So now you have power generators that have zero friction, and, you know, any kind of rotational object, zero friction. So
Host 2 2:02:18
Your operational efficiency of machines are nearing 100%. Um, you know, also
Host 1 2:02:26
I'm going to be more pessimistic thinking about people. So like, off our coast right now, we have the big pile up, like we have all the ships from China piling up out Long, Long Beach port. And if you increase the speed in which things could transport and then even imagine, okay, we don't have ships in the ocean, they're hovering, getting there faster. We're going to have bottlenecks at customs and unloading and things like that, where people are like, Oh, shit, what do I do faster?
Host 1 2:02:59
Although, if I could float, you could have your your depot could be in the middle of Kansas or something. And, you know, the cargo ships would just float over land. And
Host 1 2:03:10
You know, that's true. We can actually have more custom depots.
Host 2 2:03:15
What have you used one of those Chevy chaise? Launch your cargo? Because there you know, zero gravity, so that would just be friction of air. But usually you get parallel, you can just arc them Yeah, launching cargo containers everywhere.
Host 1 2:03:34
But yeah, I just the more I think about floating things, I think, like even you know, cargo, and so if the cargo ship is floating above your house and a few packages fall off or crates who does that? It falls in your yard? Is that your property? You know, you know, or?
Host 1 2:03:58
Yeah, so yeah, so
Host 1 2:03:59
The the floating technology to me, like would like I think it would just be huge, like it would permeate, you know, almost all aspects of life. Then another one that I was thinking about were like droids we see him you know, in all the episodes, but the one thing they never really hit on his programming in the Mandalorian he reprograms IG 11 but they at least my memories, that implies it's not easy to do that, that it was a complicated process and wasn't sure it would take or whatever. And yet, in Rogue One, I think it is where he says wipe the protocol droids memory. See Threepio it's like that is obviously easy to do. So. Like, what's the engineering behind that where and the other thing is, like I mentioned, Anakin built See Threepio but he didn't really build them to me he more assembled see Threepio. So it was a kit outside of the Yeah, got the code on GitHub spare parts that he found. But, like, outside of I guess it'd be episode three. I've never seen it like droids being built or you programmed. And it makes me wonder like, is the technology more like machine learning where it's you can't really program it. You could, like maybe wipe the memory, but programming is just more organic.
Host 1 2:05:36
Well, in Mandalorian, you kind of remember after he blew. After he reprogram the joint, he had to re teach him how to like pour tea and like lift crates, and so it makes it I think you're kind of spot on there. It was almost like physical therapy.
Host 1 2:05:54
Host 1 2:05:56
I would say between that droid, Threepio and others every time they reprogram them. They're just wiping everything they learned. And it's like, they have that backup BIOS chip with the default firmware. And they're like, Yep, I'm gonna default to the factory settings. I don't know anything. Hey, look, baboo Frick, that's my oldest friend. That's, that's where I'm going with it. Yeah, but most of the time, they're not reprogramming. And they're just wiping everything that they've learned thus far.
Host 1 2:06:25
Yeah, temporary. And things that they've learned is probably tolerance of the servos into motors that move their body and things like that. So they have to relearn all of these characteristics and aspects that are unique to that shell, or that body that they have, hence, all of the learning that they have to go through.
Host 1 2:06:42
I'll go out on a limb. And even though I forced myself to forget everything about episode eight, because it didn't happen, and that's a nightmare. I won't relive. They did touch on the Star Wars universe defense industrial complex. And I got to think that they're involved in the production of droids and that's proprietary. So they just turn out protocol droids are two units Mousies and whatnot. And, you know, that's a trade secret big, you know, people don't know how to program them, but they are hackers.
Host 1 2:07:18
Yet. They probably license a droid OS that you just purchase, slap it in and and then it does all of the learning to make it be it in a way. Yeah, so
Host 2 2:07:29
But for IG elevens case, they probably found some random trainer program dot exe. And then ran that and you know, it came from some sketchy the what the space Bay dotnet
Host 1 2:07:47
Eight. And I read somewhere I don't know where it was, it might have been in the RPG book for all I know, that droids are supposed to have their memory wiped after a certain interval of time because they start to have issues like so are two is like super spunky and like sentient and self aware. Because I guess he's been around so long without his power wash that he's now become a problem, right? And most droids they're, they're like tools. They're servants. They're they're basically pieces of hardware. They're not supposed to have a personality. So I think if you let them learn too long, they they come morbid. Yeah.
Host 1 2:08:34
So they'll rise up and they're like, You made me vacuum your floors non stop.
Host 1 2:08:41
And I wonder, like, what I wonder what the cost of something like that would be like in current, like, I don't get an impression from watching Star Wars. Except for the first one. But there, he just buys them. It does. I don't remember they're hearing a price.
Host 2 2:08:58
And he's just buying them at like a garage sale.
Host 1 2:09:01
Yeah. So it's like, I wonder how much they actually cost? Because it's hard to imagine how much you would use one. If they invented one. Now that could do what the droids do. But it depends on how much it would cost. I don't get the impression they're particularly expensive, but they're also not everywhere, you know?
Host 1 2:09:24
Well, so. So if you think about the economics of it, why was I don't remember Anna kins, mom's name? Whatever. Why was she a slave? If droids were so cheap, like, I get the impression that they're not expensive, but they're not. They're not like access, everyone has one.
Host 1 2:09:44
Right? They also seem to be really like purpose built like they have a use and that's what they're good at.
Host 1 2:09:51
Or it could be a cultural thing that they're looked down on. There's something that
Host 1 2:09:56
You know, that that's a good point, you know, they bring a protocol droid to Java, he's like, protocol droid like, I don't need that. Yeah. If it was so easy to reprogram and wipe them, they would do that.
Host 1 2:10:12
Yeah. And then the next thing I was thinking about was the hyperspace technology. Like when I when I asked, because I asked a few people this question. And a lot of people like Oh, hyperspace, hyperspace, hyperspace. And I said, but in reality, if we had that tomorrow that NASA said, we've, we beat it, we beat faster and like, we can build ships that can travel to the edge of the solar system. It would be huge, monumental, but would it really change your life? Like? I mean, how many years would it be before no matter how fast you can travel to Mars? How many years would it be before you could actually lived there, let alone Alpha Centauri or you know, somewhere else. Like, like, unless you could somehow find in the hammock and habitable planet. But I think it would take decades just to even send out enough ships to find a planet that people could live on, and then colonize. And you know, that, that it would get to the point where like, one of us could buy a ticket and go to one of those places. Oh, it
Host 1 2:11:22
Still cost $2,000 A pound to get something into space.
Host 1 2:11:26
Well, that's where the floating technology comes in handy.
Host 1 2:11:28
Oh, that's a good point. We just float right up to the launch pad. And then
Host 1 2:11:33
Although it That's assuming we have both, but I just think that hyperspace is one of those really cool technologies that if we actually had it, you might go. Well, that's great. Now, astronauts can get to Mars faster, you know? Yeah. Whoo hoo. Right. Yeah.
Host 1 2:11:50
I mean, yeah, we would if we had. Okay, so I think what it boils down to with that is how much faster than light? Can you go? Because, yes, if you go the speed of light, that's incredibly impressive, but not particularly useful. I mean, the closest next star is Alpha Centauri, right, which is like 77 light years away. So great. If you travel at the speed of light. It's that's 150 Till the
Host 1 2:12:17
Time you get there, round trip, right. So like later, guys, I'll see you in you know, a couple of generations and let you know what we found.
Host 1 2:12:24
Yeah. So So So what does that allow us to do set up heavy mining operations on Mars? Like, cool like that? How is that helping us significantly here on Earth? I'm not sure.
Host 1 2:12:37
Yeah, like maybe certain metals would get cheaper, you know,
Host 2 2:12:41
Pretty much heavy metal with Amelie dropped to the floor cost wise. That's about it.
Host 1 2:12:48
But I mean, you got to think that that round trip is still expensive.
Host 1 2:12:53
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And then I have a few other but they're not Star Wars related. So
Host 2 2:13:02
I've got one that to this list, Chris. Okay, is the apparent energy density for storage that they have in Star Wars? Like they're what we would call battery tech. Like we were talking about how many how many megawatts Roz's lightsaber would expel into the steel door?
Host 1 2:13:23
And that thing is, you know, size of the flashlights? Well, and Hi, Ron had that fantastic chart that showed basically energy density. Yeah,
Host 1 2:13:31
I yeah, I put the link in chat, I suppose.
Host 1 2:13:33
Host 1 2:13:34
The smallest. Like if you look at Kylo rems, you know, Linky lightsaber, you're getting 2.5 Giga joules in the flashlight.
Host 2 2:13:45
Yeah, like that's some insanity, trying to think of like, it's like you build you build a cell phone that would never be need to be charged ever, like, just have enough power to blast and
Host 1 2:14:00
Love. What they did is they put it in relative terms. So that's like one and a half nuclear reactors. That's 101 Tesla power walls or 1000 car batteries. Like, yeah, it's ridiculous to enter.
Host 1 2:14:17
For me that begs the question like, is the lightsaber it's it's generating power, or it's storing power. Like, did we just not see the scene where he's plugging it into the wall and saying, Hold on, hold on. I just got to get a couple shares here of charge.
Host 1 2:14:38
I don't recall in Legends if if Jedi ever have to swap out kyber crystals because they deplete over time? No, they do have about power cells in them. Yeah. They have power cells in addition.
Host 2 2:14:58
Leeson legends I don't know what it is and current canon?
Host 1 2:15:02
Technically all the blasters have a power cell and they have like a gas and little gas pass to for the propellant. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So
Host 2 2:15:11
Basically the battery in terms of blaster energizes the gas and the gas is converted to the bolt.
Host 1 2:15:19
Yeah. Which is interesting because that's come up in Legends, but I don't think in any of the live acting, have I ever seen them? Reload and change out? Ammo? Actually mando changes out around. So what you brought up last year, so he can vaporize a Java? Oh, yeah. And his rifle. But that was changing out ammunition types. I've never seen them be like, Oh, shit, I'm out. gotta reload.
Host 1 2:15:49
Also, his his rifle doesn't just like shoot a bolt. it vaporizes stuff. So this there's a little bit different. Let's.
Host 2 2:16:00
Yeah, that was actually I think, who did that one last year? I did. Yeah. Yeah, cuz so last year, Craig did a calculation on how much energy would a bullet need to have to vaporize a Jawa?
Host 1 2:16:17
Which is why carronade 650s. Now?
Host 1 2:16:22
Yeah, I think I remember in the in episode four, like, were they feeling the X wings? I can't remember. Yeah,
Host 2 2:16:30
No, there were at least refueling the the in Episode Five the refueling the Millennium Falcon. Okay, for sure. And there is this a cutscene. In Episode Four that they added back in, where Chewie is working on the Millennium Falcon and Java, the huts there, that really bad CG scene? They added back in? That doesn't make any sense. But he was refueling the Millennium Falcon there. But I'm not sure there's a scene where you can see that the refueling of X wings. So there is fuel?
Host 1 2:17:06
Yeah. And mando talks about in one of the contracts he takes, and one of the episodes. You know, Greef Karga gives him the price for the bounty, and he says it doesn't even cover the cost of fuel.
Host 2 2:17:22
But just the energy density, because we were talking about like, yeah, if we had this now, you know, I think that would be the biggest change. Like if tomorrow was like, our energy density just went up 1,000,000,000,000%
Host 1 2:17:36
Yeah, for sure. And that's why I like some one of my non Star Wars. Why saying on Star Wars, because I don't think I've ever seen it in Star Wars. But one of my Technologies was what they call in quantum power taps, like, basically quantum entangled particles delivering power, where then your power generation can be literally anywhere. And you entangle
Host 1 2:18:02
Them at the the generation and then at the Sasquatch,
Host 1 2:18:06
After the header at the little Tesla charging station,
Host 1 2:18:11
Or in orbit around the sun. I mean, you know, you could have a solar array that's parked in orbit around the sun, and you get a little imagine it's the size of like, a five volt regulator, you know, and that's the other end of the
Host 2 2:18:23
Quantum tunnel. It's just the cue. It's just the element. Oh, it's just the, you know, electrons is flipping their, their orbits around. And, yeah, I think Chris and I actually talked about this once, when we're driving somewhere at one time. And like, I'm like that, that would be the game changer, it would be a chip that was had that had electrons in it, that were entangled with another set somewhere else, and then you just put that chip on your circuit. And bam, that's your power source.
Host 1 2:18:57
And in what I wonder is if you could do that, like, so if you guys were designing a circuit, and there was a part no bigger than a five volt regulator, but it was quantum entangled power source, with the other end, you know, in orbit around the sun or something? Would, how would you feel about putting that in a circuit knowing that if that space station blows up, you're dead? Like, you know, you don't have power anymore? So would you make it modular? Or would you trust that it's always going to be there, you know, modular was
Host 1 2:19:29
The first brand is going to be from espresso roof, and it's going to fail like 20% of the time.
Host 1 2:19:36
Well, okay, so if, if we have both that quantum quantum power, and we have the energy density that's in Star Wars, you could always just charge up energy density, or you charge up whatever battery you have. It'd be like, Oh, well, my power supply ran out. I have 160 days left of use on this thing, you know?
Host 1 2:19:57
Yeah. We would make like aircraft possible electric aircraft. Because you don't have to worry about battery density because like having Star Wars levels of power or floating things, yeah,
Host 2 2:20:13
Everything would just float to infinite power or to us unlimited power. Yeah, yeah, eliminate the devices in Star Wars have so much energy density. They look like they don't need power. It's like was it sufficiently enough technology just looks like magic. A lot of things in Star Wars ends up looking like that because of how much power they can theoretically store.
Host 1 2:20:40
Real quick three examples. I want to I want to get your guys thoughts on this. speeder bikes on Endor. You have Luke's little like floaty go kart on tattooing. And then you have Ray's little like motorcycle that that hovers around? We don't really in any of the movies, we don't ever see these devices off per se. Like, we don't see them in their like off state. Do they continue to float perpetually? Or do they just come down to the ground and then when you turn it on it like, you know, powers up and begins.
Host 1 2:21:13
Closest I've seen in again, I wouldn't call it off like a mando. The the troopers. They're parked waiting for the okay to go into the town. But they're they're still floating. So it does make you wonder like,
Host 1 2:21:29
Does it perpetual,
Host 1 2:21:30
I've never seen one sitting on the ground, the closest I've seen, the only time is episode one. His pod is on the ground before the Well, I mean, when the
Host 1 2:21:43
Pod might not actually be floating though, because it might it might actually just be pulled. I'm
Host 1 2:21:49
I'm guessing the amount of energy it takes to power it up is exponential. And it's like, unless you're going to slow this for a couple of months, there's no point in turning it off, because you're gonna burn more energy, turning it on to get everything up and going then let it hover,
Host 1 2:22:06
Well, then that speaks even more to energy density, where it's so energy dense, you can just be like, well screw it, I'll just leave it on and let it float.
Host 1 2:22:15
Maybe there's just some kind of substance that has like negative gravity. And you have to like ballast everything with the weight. And it's like you got to put the perfect otherwise it just keeps floating up into the atmosphere like as to be to the like 10th of a gram. Like absolutely
Host 1 2:22:30
Perfect. Yeah, over like a year, it goes up by like a few inches.
Host 1 2:22:34
I think it's kind of like the efficiency of like heating your home. It's better to keep your home at a constant temperature, then oh, I'm gonna let it drop the 50 degrees heated up to 70 dropped to 50 to 70. It's better just to leave your thermostat on, you'll spend less energy maintaining that in the blast and some heat out once an hour then constantly trying to raise it up.
Host 1 2:23:04
Yeah, I know I wouldn't. I would love to have that. And the other thing I keep thinking about is, I mean, if you look at like hover vehicles, which we have, they're notoriously hard to steer. And yet, like in Star Wars, like there's no problem steering, the speeder bikes, and the speeders and all the other things. And it makes me think that maybe it's not simply anti gravity, but it's like it's manipulating gravitational waves so that it kind of holds itself in place. So it's not simply just floating, but it's actually kind of like holding its place.
Host 2 2:23:45
There does seem to be a cut off though, because ships have landing gear. And they will, but they also have anti gravity pulsars because they definitely raise up off the ground, suck the landing gear in and then go forward. So there's a cut off of the where it's okay to leave your engine idle, basically, and let it hover. Versus we're going to shut it down and put it on landing legs. Well, there's
Host 1 2:24:16
A function of, of like, the artificial gravity on like space stations and stuff, right? Like maybe you have to be in contact with it for the gravity to work. And if you don't, if you're not touching the space station, and it accelerates one way, like your ship just slams into the floor or something. I don't know.
Host 1 2:24:36
I mean, there's that whole scene where there's a star destroyer just hovering over the city of Jakku. And and we you know, in my little portion earlier we we said that that was four point whatever, million tons and it had no problem just sitting there. Yeah.
Host 2 2:24:55
But it also others. So that exists but it is Their Star Wars lore, like Star Destroyers crash into planets by getting sucked into gravitational wells unexpectedly. So there's something more going on there than I think we're thinking about. Because it might be like in that case, like that Star Destroyer is putting more power to its repulsors. Whereas in the other case, like more firepower or more shields, or it's damaged or something like that, but
Host 1 2:25:29
John, we almost had this figured out
Host 2 2:25:33
More than ever, but yeah, it's interesting. Like, there's something more, there's some kind of cut off. Or it could just be like, the, the speeder bikes are at idle, right. They're just kind of like,
Host 1 2:25:46
Well, and then and the real question is if you could get repulsors would Parker put them on his jeep?
Host 1 2:25:53
Host 2 2:25:54
Yeah, yeah, I would
Host 1 2:25:56
Without a doubt. He tried to make him himself and then put them on his Yeah, I tried to weld
Host 1 2:25:59
Them on day well, the mod yeah and radially outward so he could just repulse other cars.
Host 1 2:26:07
Host 1 2:26:13
Cool. Your leaky jeep? I think we're gonna finally savor spewing radiation as he drives down the road.
Host 2 2:26:25
I think we're going to wrap up this episode. Finally. It's like yeah,
Host 1 2:26:27
We get who hours? Two and a half hours long.
Host 1 2:26:31
Well, three on the on the Twitch stream. Yeah.
Host 2 2:26:35
So who wants to? Who wants to end it? Bras opened?
Host 1 2:26:41
All right. Well, that was the macro fab engineering podcast Star Wars Christmas. Macro fab special plus max. Episode Six, Return of the Jedi.
Host 2 2:26:58
And we were host Parker, Dolman and Steven Craig
Host 1 2:27:01
Host 2 2:27:04
Ross, and Chris. And Ira later one take it easy
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