IdeaFab – Does This Podcast Change The World?

Welcome to the macro fab engineering podcasts. We're guests, Eric Benson Hoffer, and Scott Hanson of the idea tank podcast.

And we're your hosts, Parker, Dolman.

And Steven Craig.

This is episode 296. So thank you, Scott and Eric, for coming back on our podcast for the third time. Our pleasure.

Yeah, we're happy to be here. Are we? Are we the are we going to be welcomed back after this? That's the real question that I'm wondering.

I think every time you come on, your goal should just be to come up with an idea, either so terrible, or so great, that you're not welcome.

That may happen.

So Eric and Scott, were on previous episode 77, and 223. So go check those out. So what what has happened in the last because it's been about a year and a half now, since last time y'all were on?

Yeah, something like that. Right? We did something. Last, maybe August, July, June ish, somewhere in there. We were still in COVID. That's all I remember. Because that's all that's what's even

worse. It was May 20. It was May 2020. Oh, well.

Fresh, fresh. COVID. Fresh COVID.

That was a good kind of COVID.

I think that was when we were still

a little naive. Oh, yeah, it was, uh, two weeks, right? COVID was supposed to be two weeks to change the curve or whatever it

was two weeks curve. So

while the curve Yeah, flattened. That's what it was. So

we did solve or we stopped doing the day playing podcast, officially. And we we stopped it because we solved all the world's problems. But every once in a while, we do have new ideas, and they just happen to coincide with when you invite us back onto your podcast. So

Well, I mean, Parker, and I just start generating new problems for the world. So we need you guys to come solve them for us. We're here to serve. Let's, let's give a quick little kind of overview on what this podcast is like. Because this is this is a bit of a mash up but but kind of when macro fab and the idea tank come together, we sort of do a person by person, I guess just we throw out ideas, and then discuss them write that. And these ideas solve some kind of problem out there.

They're they're supposed to, they're supposed to be million dollar ideas. Or billion that change

the world said, we're brilliant.

What Wait, do they change the world? Or make a bunch of money? Or do they change the world and make a bunch of money,

they, they change the world, and they make us no money, but they make somebody the podcast started from the general from Scott and I believe that we love sharing ideas, but we also respect that 99% of it is the execution. So and I we from that we thought an idea is worth nothing. Let's see if we can make it worth something. Or at least have fun talking about it on a podcast. And then yeah, through our past episodes, if we would see one of our ideas come come to life, we would we would have a segment called You're welcome where we would take credit for for it. But you know, those are just the facts into the world, and then the world change. So who are we to say wasn't us? That's fantastic.

Okay, so so totally seriously, have you had any? You're welcome segments. Has anyone ever used your ideas?

Oh, yeah. We've had a lot of your welcome segments. I mean, I can't I can't really think of one off the top my head, but

I had the idea for the Apple Watch the heartbeat.

That's true. That's true. And they

and they implement that one after after our podcast.

That's fantastic. You had that $1 That you could you could see that came from deep within Apple's headquarters.

We traced it back to Steve Jobs himself.

Directly. Yeah. And he shared it with all right, well, let's, let's kick this off. I believe Eric, you said you wanted to go first. So what is your idea?

Yeah, so I am going to perfect reviews. And so here's the problem. I think feedback without a framework is fundamentally flawed. And I did rewrite that too, to do the alliteration. Every time you ask somebody about a movie or restaurant, a skill set, outside of small talk, you need follow up questions. Do you know like, how many times you ask somebody for feedback? Like, Hey, how was that movie? And then they say, like, you know, like, good. It's like, okay, what a waste of of your conversation because you know, absolutely nothing. So here's the solution, a simple five star rating system, it's a way to fully understand someone's experience in one number, no decimals required or allowed. So this idea is called the five star system. And basically, I think in a lot of ways, you know, you have, you should have a simple simple array system to collect feedback, I learned this first in, in my technical training, training, where they said, if you're gonna get feedback, you know, one good thing to do would be to only have four options. That way, people have to make a decision, they can't just pick them, you know, the middle ground, like it was okay, whatever. It was excellent. It was terrible. It was good, it was bad. But my system has one more number, because it's needed. And so So it's based on the bell curve system. Imagine if He basically took that and applied it to, to getting feedback from people. A three is basically a good experience in met expectations. And that includes like, you know, your normal feedback, which is, you say, like, oh, how was the pizza? Good. It was good, or good. You know, those are good. You know, like, those are all different types of feedback. Really, that's all one.

There's a lot of nuance in there. Exactly, but,

but in the end, you're getting the same exact feedback, it was a positive, non life changing experience. And there's nothing more to talk about. So to use my system, as someone says, Hey, how's pizza? It was a three. You know, that's not insulting, that's not positive, but there's room to grow. So and in the bell curve, you have a you have like, that's, that's the big middle part of the of the bell curve is 64% of belief. Above that, and below that are four and four into four is a great experience, that's when your your expectations have been exceeded. And if you were to give a four to somebody, like if, let's say, somebody makes you food, and it's like, well, how would you rate this, like I give it a four. That's a way to to convey, like you've achieved excellence. You've done well, you've you've you've, I'm complimenting the work that you've obviously put into this. It's beyond what's what's normal. But let's be real. There's got to be something more than that, right? There's life changing experiences, there's, this is you are of the top of the top and you might want to pursue this as a career, or if it's, or if it's food, or if it's vacations. Like I would recommend my friends to fly across the country for this. That's a five. So five is life changing fly for it. Four is beyond expectation. This is a compliment, focus more of your life on this or drive across town for it than below is too. That's a bad experience. Like how was that? It's like, it's not good. Like, it's and that's what really all you need to say is like, I don't want that again. But look, it's not a one a one would be. This was detrimentally bad. The police might need to be involved. Yelp needs to shut this place down. They fundamentally failed at a level that I in no way expected. But my

experience made the world worse.

Yes. Yes. And I know, I know, I'm clearly communicating to you. It will make your life worse too. So do not do this under any circumstances. And so that's that's the rating system. It does three things. It brings clarity to the world. It brings, you know, there's no reason for voice inflection, all that stuff. You ask, How was the experience? Give a whole number, do you need decimals? We don't need decimals, you need to think about it more and give a real answer. Number two, it brings humility to your world. Are you being asked to get to get feedback? You make somebody some something? You know, how would you rate this? They give you a three? Don't feel bad? That's a good experience, but also lower your expectations? I mean, what are your expectations about yourself? What are you the best at something? You know, do you have no room to improve? Have you put 10,000 hours into something? I think honest, clear rating systems give people the feedback they need to either acknowledge like hey, you're doing okay or, but if you want it to be great, you got room to improve. And also it gives you gives you an expectation like if somebody gives you a five you that might be your mother, and you know, so disregard it disregard that unless you're you're in need. And finally, it brings back kind of accept that final point. And I think school needs to adopt this rating system and probably used to adopt this rating system before it got soft. It brings focus in your life. I mean, have you guys heard people like, like, oh, yeah, how is your kid doing in school? It's like, oh, they're they've got a above 4.0 GPA in high school. You know, our reaction to that is it's like, what what am I so you're saying, like, they're above it, you know, excellence, and nobody cares. It's because because that whole rating system has been, has been watered down to useless. And so if the rating system was a real rating system, then let's say you were at a school and you got a three, you'd feel good about yourself. But no, like, there's nothing I don't know, unless I put a lot more work into this. There's nothing really here. But if you got a four, you might, that might change your life. Because you think I put a lot of work it paid off. And I have some potential here for is employable for is is is excellent for his job security. Five is a signal to the elites that you're welcome to Antarctica, to, to, to join their crowd. And as for something like a school system, if you had, if you had a nation or global math class, for example, you could get a grading that would really show you where you are amongst your peers. And something like that could could be helpful. But again, do you need a five point or do you need a 4.125? And a 4.12? Foot? No, it doesn't matter? What bucket are you in? So that's the rating system? I think it would improve every conversation you've have. Unless you wanted the conversation to be long verbose, which sometimes you know, if you'd like people just like conversation, this was cut things off because you asked him how was your experience? Like it was a for follow up questions not needed. You understand exactly everything that went on in their experience in their head. So that's really the only downside is it? It cuts off entertaining small talk.

Parker, so you might be muted. I'm not hearing you come through. Can hear me no. I got you. I'm just not getting Parker.

Oh, Parker. I'm not hearing any tapping either. How many stars? Would you give your your experience with Parker right now, Steven?

You know, and this one. Okay. So this is this is probably good, too, because it's not functioning. But it's not a one because I want to continue doing this experience with Parker.

That's fair. follow up questions not needed.

So what? What's going through my mind, I'll get there's, there's a handful of things that I'll follow up on this while Parker's doing on that. So two, first two things that come to my mind is this is this is perfect for introverts, who, when when somebody comes up to you and says, How are you doing? They can say three, three is, you don't need to ask me another question. Like everything, everything's fine. Like you can just expect it's the same thing as saying Fine, or okay. If they say any other number that invites some degree of question for oh, what's going? Well, five, please tell me about it. Or what a two is, hey, is there a problem or one, we need to go talk about this right now. The other thing I can see. The other thing I can see about this is parenting, where you can look at your kid and be like, you're acting like a two right now I need you to be a three or better. And, and you know, it can connect pretty easily.

Exactly, because that doesn't, that doesn't communicate that you want them to be like bubbly or happy or really like bring positivity to everybody. It's just just just be in the normal bubble. Just be neutral. That's fine.

So what I liked about that idea a lot, Eric is it fixes the star rating system to begin with because people don't put like a four on something or two bottles. It's either the lowest which is either 01 star and then or the highest which is five star people live in these extremes. And I think that's if one thing people could learn is to not live in the extremes especially in this current political climate we're in right now.

I was gonna say three or five or one is we need one of the one of one of the comments that we got from the idea tank podcast was you guys just need to be more more extreme and and we need to have greater so get get rid of this Three in the middle, get rid of the foot, the two and the four. And you either love this thing. Or hate this, you're either the best, or the worst.

I feel like that's a very American way of looking at things. You're either the best person in the room

or the I mean, it's after all, who wants just was? Ricky Bobby said number two is first loser.

Exactly. But who wants? Yeah. You want the best coffeemaker at home? So you want the five star coffee maker? You don't want to want the four or the three? You want the five star one? You want the five star employee?

What if you just simplified it? Just what have you even simplified it and just went with no star or a star?

Then star or a star? Yeah.

So it's like getting that gold sticker on your on your on your report.

Just super high nary.

So you either get a sticker or you don't get a sticker.

Well, okay, so okay. So Eric, quick question about the rating system. Why five? And why not more than five?

Well, I suppose it's because I want people to be decisive in their feedback. If you if you need something to be if you're saying something's a 3.5, because it was good, but it was better to some other things than the bottom line is, that wasn't a four. That wasn't great. Now, it could be it sounds like it's on its way to being great. But whoever is receiving that rating needs to know that they did not break out of out of the bubble of the same bubble that can contains Good, fine and average. They're in that bubble.

Yeah, when someone says something is good, it's it's highly subjective. I do like how a four is like, what? Like what, like, our five is like world changing,

right? Yeah. Which is very different than great, a great and which is very different than bad, or world changing in the opposite direction. And basically, those four are so clearly different than everything else in between is really just in the three. It's kind of the leftovers. But that's fine, because we're not really

going to make my case for zero or one star. And on the idea tank podcast, we had a segment for a while that we did called best idea ever, or worst idea ever. And you get you throw an idea out rapidfire it's like, is this the best thing ever? Yes, we should do this thing. Or? No, no, just leave that thing behind. Yeah,

I suppose if the goal is to get like immediate response, then then binary is acceptable.

Yeah, if you're new

to the society, go to post Houston. Hang out there.

Okay, really interesting parallel here. Have you guys read 1984 The book. There's there is a thing called Newspeak in there. And to make things easier for people to understand in terms of effectively ratings, they just have good and bad. And then you can say, what is it plus good or plus bad and the double plus good or double plus bad? And it just makes things really, really easy to scale? And everyone gets it right away? Why is star rating?

I mean, I'm excited because it sounds like then that is in our future. So I will get my rating.

We're marching directly towards Yeah, it's worth it.

I do like how Eric wants to fix ratings and like it probably will actually improve mankind. Whereas Scott's is like, just going way off the deep end in terms of we want to, like speed up the ruining of society with this rating system.

Yeah, that's good analysis too, because that I don't know they have to take the lesson socialist route. I just didn't think it'd be it is helpful to have clarity. And it is, it is. It is helpful to know that it's okay to be average at something. And it's okay. It's okay to give that feedback as well. No, expect everybody to be great at something If I'm being totally honest,

the numbering system gives a very default number for average.

No, it's actually true. Because the thing is, is barring the four people on this podcast, I mean, most people are not going to be the best at what they do.

Correct. All right, so let me let's do some examples. How many stars? Do you give? XiMa?

One?

No, I'm gonna say two. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say two because I wouldn't prefer to drink it. But there are many things that are worse than Zima.

Okay, so are you saying that the Zima is you add?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah,

I think so. Things are bad. Yeah.

I think the thing is, like, Would you actively avoid Zima?

To wit, okay. Does to a number two, does that constitute active actively avoiding something? Or does that just say like, I'm not into it?

I think that's all three.

I think so too. Yeah. I? Because, I mean, did you finish the Zima?

We're referencing the Zima as we drank back in episode number 77. And I think I actually did so. So you know, you're probably correct. I should adjust my number two or three.

You know what, based on that I'm giving it a four because I actually went back for seconds.

Well, okay, so that's you would recommend

Zima to people?

Is that something that you would drive across town like, oh, wow, they got Zima. They got Zeeman. In Sugarland, let's take, you know, is it great

if, if I was going to do it for like, a, a, because the thing is, they don't make any more. So actually, probably, if I was going to pick up a six pack for like, you know, I mean, y'all, y'all brought it to the podcast as kind of like a goof thing. That's totally what's perfect for. So yeah, I mean, if I needed zoom as a prop, yeah.

Part of the rating system would be that a group of people should be able to come to the same, the same bucket, right? Where subjectively, people enjoy things at different levels. The analysis of say, like a movie should should be in the same bucket. Like, was that functionally a good movie? Okay, yeah, they hit all the points. You might, some people might like it, some people might not. But at least you made a movie, whereas something like the Star Wars Episode One, it's like, fundamentally, that was a broken movie, you can enjoy the lightsaber. But we all have to agree that that's a two. Because it's broken. It didn't, it didn't work. So this is kind of an interesting test. Scott, what? What star rating? Would you give the Zima?

Why if I have to do this sensationalist rating of zero or one star, I will do a one star.

Okay, and how about in the in the five star system and

years? And years? And years? I would, I would probably say it three? Like, yeah, I'm not gonna go out of my way to get it. I'm probably not going to recommend it to a friend. There's other things to recommend. But it's not the worst thing I've ever had. So the three is,

yeah, it's a three out of four of us give it give it a three. Which I think should be helpful.

I think that fits within a bell curve, right?

Have you ever been in like a work meeting where you're trying to risk rank things or try to come to consensus among the group?

That's probably Yeah,

yeah. And, you know, some people, some people like, is this going to be the most profitable idea? Is this something that we can actually do? Some people like, I'm hungry, and you end up with people just way off the map from each other, and then you don't get a consensus, but something like this could, could, I think bring people together to give a, like a sober review of, of, of something, so at least come to consensus on what it is and, and make better decisions.

I think what's really hits off is just 14 a rule sets, I think, is what you said earlier on how you should write something. So I don't think the rating system itself really matters. It's just having a rule set that you abide by and then publish of like, this is how this rating system works. Yeah, like yourself is a good thing.

That way people are not scared to give a three to a restaurant They shouldn't be yes. But I've actually done this where I've gone into Yelp and I thought that was an OK experience. That's a three in my in my book, but then I go into the rating system, and I look up their definitions. And sometimes they're they're like, remember when Wendy's had three sizes? And it was large Biggie, and great Biggie that another oil, three sizes of French fries? And it's like, what is this? I, you know, so? Yeah, I think I think exactly right, Parker, it could, it would, it would kind of humbly bring everybody to the table, and you get better feedback, because otherwise you're getting five stars one star or, or nothing?

Yeah. I like this idea. Max, you're gonna I think I'm going to next meeting I have at McAfee, I'm going to present this star rating idea. I'm sure it's gonna go over well, with our customer service department. Yes.

The problem, the problem with things like rating on Amazon, you get a bunch of one stars, because UPS screwed up shipping the package, and therefore the product gets a one star. Yeah. But a lot of it, a lot of it boils down to, if we all accept it culturally. And we all have a decent understanding, then it can work. It just needs to be ingrained in our, in our regular everyday common speak. And like Parker was saying everyone needs to at least have a general rule set on how it works.

Yeah, and you can also divide things out, like for real practical case, I went out with a family member, we went watched a movie. And I was trying to get them to rate the experience. And there and they were saying a four, but the movie wasn't very good. And was okay. But it was a three. And so we were able to separate like, it's like, let's separate the movie from the experience. Because the movie The experience was a great experience. But yeah, the but the, but the movie did not deserve four star so you can separate things out. And like for restaurants, I think Yelp could take this. And you could separate out your what you're reviewing. How was your food? How was your service? How was the atmosphere? Same thing with Amazon? Like, like you mentioned, you know, a delivery should not impact your rating necessarily.

You know, okay, so that right there, I think fixes maybe one of the larger problems with a five star system where five stars perhaps doesn't have enough granularity. But it has enough granularity if the question is asked correctly. Like, if you're just saying like, globally, what are what number out of five? That that you're supposed to capture so much stuff within that one? Number. But yeah, if you if the question is granular, and you're writing individual questions, that makes it a lot cleaner, shall you say?

So, and this, this idea? So you die, go to the pearly gates, and God is there and goes, how was your experience rate from one to five?

I'm pretty sure they get to say what the rating is. Have you not you

know, though, the well, in theory, Scott would ever be Scott system. That would be a gold star.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Who wants to go next? I liked that a lot. That was, so it's just the five star review system.

The fight? Yeah. And I expect Google or Yelp, Amazon to all become multi trillion dollar companies separating themselves using the system. You're welcome.

That's a pre You're welcome.

All right, Steven, you won't go next.

Yeah, sure, sure, why not? So I actually did a little bit of a write up on this one. So in the past, when, when I've given ideas on these episodes, they've been a little bit goofy. This one, this one has some goofiness to it, but there is, there's a little bit more serious behind this one. And I'm gonna preface this real quick for all of our listeners. There's hyperbole here in my little pitch I'm giving and it's not intended to disparage anyone. And it won't come across as that but I'm just giving a preface there. So my idea is called the College of above average Joe's where creativity meets practicality.

So it's a three star College.

We will I will ask everyone's ratings after I give the pitch. See, how do you guys feel about this? Okay, so, colleges nowadays are churning out more and more students that seem to be less and less capable. Although an average college student can create Think out a 12 page paper detailing the juxtaposition between man and nature. They freak out when their kitchen sink springs a leak, or when that little light that looks like an oil can illuminate on their car dash. All but the most driven students do the majority of their learning to be self sufficient adults post college and on the job. The College of the above average Joe's seeks to change this. So, the College of above, above average Joe's looks to provide an alternative to standard upper level education, not one that is based on intense study of theory, but one that leans into practicality at every step, a degree from aaj would tell your potential employer that you are well rounded and trained to be a jack of all trades. Graduating shows that you've been through a wide array of very practical training that equips you for any task that is thrown your way either on the job or at home. Practicality is not the end all be all however, and would be tempered with a healthy respect for creativity, all students will be required to demonstrate skills through creative individual and group assignments. So effectively, what I'm talking about is shop class for adults. I think upper level education nowadays, just really does rely too much on theory. And we're not training people how to be anymore. And so, in looking at college level education, I think there is a huge sector available for very, very practical training for people who are just leaving high school all the way up through whatever age you want to enter college. So courses that you could take at the above average Joe's college or fall into categories like life skills, which is, here's how you pay your taxes. Here's what taxes even are, here's how to start a business, budgeting and saving for your own finances, just general communication with human beings. And then a class that is here's how to learn. And here's how you figure out how to learn new things. There's also business skills like Office Communication, how to actually talk to people in the office, how to actually write an email, and not look like a doofus. Things like project management and documentation. Now on some more of the physical hands on side, there's full on mechanics, which would be things like auto repair, or even other vehicles, there's trades that you could learn such as plumbing, electrical woodworking, there's entire sections devoted to cooking, gardening and lawn care. And what a lot of this sounds like, are classes that you might take in, say high school, and you might take one or two of these. But what if you went to a college where you took most of these, and you learn things like oh, here are regulations in plumbing, here's how to actually fix something in your house. Electrical work, you actually have to wire up a light switch for a house or install a fan in some kind of fake setting. And I know it seems like well, you know, these things already exist, you can go take these classes. Sure. But what if there was a college where you actually graduated and had a degree in all of these things. Now, this doesn't necessarily make you a journeyman or make you prepared for every single one of these jobs. But think of if you were to hire somebody think of if you had to choose for one of your positions, somebody who got a four, four year degree in whatever whatever degree and you were, you look at their coursework and like, okay, these people are capable of what a four year degree requires. Or you look at a guy and he slaps on a resume and says, I am an above average Joe, and you know that that person can take care of their work, but they can also take care of their finances. And they can also take care of things around the office, that maybe the four year college student couldn't see. So in addition to all of this very practical work at aaj there would also be a heavy emphasis in creativity because I feel that the one of the best ways to actually hammer down and learn and understand a skill is to apply it in a way that makes you happy in a way that really allows you to express yourself. So I think that in addition to learning things like plumbing or woodworking or or whatnot, you would have creativity classes that happened every semester where you apply these things in perhaps a non standard way. That's where the creativity meets practicality. So say you have an idea on how to make some plumbing? Well, plumbing is a great example, let's say you have some creative project. That is to create some kind of a sculpture. Well, if you've gone through the pulp plumbing class, you know how to go to Home Depot, and you know how to get all the fittings you need. And maybe you could make a sculpture that's iron pipe, or PVC, or something like that. And the reason you know that is because you went through plumbing school at aaj. So every semester, you get to apply all of these concepts to something that is creative, and you leave the college with some things that you're proud of, above and beyond them actually being practical and functional. So let's see here. Another example, just someone has an idea, or they see something on on social media or YouTube about some cool like wood working project, well, you don't have to be afraid of like, I can't do this, because you've gone through the woodshop. And you've known, you know how to use all the tools to it. So instead of the actual execution of the process being the scary thing that prevents you from accomplishing something, it's more just the world is opened up, because you're capable of doing all of these things. And the idea with this is not that everyone takes plumbing or not that everyone takes auto repair. When you go to a J, you get to pick and choose sort of like general studies, but very practical concepts from general studies that apply to so many things that you get this giant bucket of, here's all the things I can do.

It's like a trade school. But all the classes are the one on ones of those trade schools.

Well, but there could also be two Oh ones. So if you really liked plumbing, you could go deeper into that. And here's kind of, here's something that actually sparked this idea. And this is this happened to me the other day, we had at my office, we had a problem with our security system. And the we couldn't allow, we couldn't arm our security system because one of the sensors was was off. So I just called up the company because the owner hit me up and was like, Hey, can you take care of this? Sure, I'll take care of it. So I call up the the alarm company, and I just start talking to the person on the phone. They're not even in the same city as me. And I was like, hey, blah, blah, blah. We can't arm our system. And I don't know how it was how it came about. But I mentioned that I was an engineer. Oh, I think she she was like, Are you the owner of the company? No, I'm an engineer here. And she goes, Oh, you're an engineer. She starts typing and she starts emailing me all of these instructions on how to figure out what's wrong with the system. And she said, I'm sending this to you because you're an engineer. And I think you could probably fix it. And I'm sitting here like, there's nothing about my schooling whatsoever that makes me qualified to fix a security system. Not legitimately nothing. But there's this concept that like, oh, this person's technical, or this person has some kind of handy skills, therefore they can do this. Well, what if we started churning out people who were capable of doing that, you know, if someone who's at the office and is like, Oh, I hear the sink is running or dripping? I'll just go ahead and fix that as opposed to calling maintenance or, you know, spending a bunch of money on all these, all these other things? How do we create jack of all trades without the person just wanting, like becoming that because they desire it? I think the College of aaj is the way to do it.

And you can call the degrees like bachelor of adults functioning adults.

Well, okay. Adult adults. And that's why that's why the very first thing I said there is life skills. Like when it comes to paying taxes. Did Did anyone teach you guys how to pay taxes? I don't even think my parents taught me how to pay taxes. The first time I had to do it on my own. I just stumbled through it. I mean, yeah, sure. Like there's you if you're resourceful, you can go figure it out. But like, we don't teach these kinds of things. We don't necessarily teach how to save money or budget in a family.

So Steve and I have argued over like math classes a lot, but having a class on like, these are what you will like math things that you'd have to actually know on a daily basis, like calculating tips. That's an American thing. But yeah, like tackling percentages in your head for typing.

And, you know, I didn't even mention like, there's I there's, in this course list I gave here. It's if you're looking for a traditional education that has the theory in it. And that has the, I guess, the mind expansion in the way that we look at it nowadays. There's plenty of colleges out there. So this coursework does not include calculus. This coursework does not include, you know, literature from 1800 in in England. If you want to go study those things, please be my guest. But the College of aaj is going to be more like, hey, if I go to Home Depot, and I'm trying to build a deck, do I need drywall screws? Or do I need deck screws? You know, it's things of this a lot more practical concepts and ideas that most of us just learned by googling. Right?

Right. YouTube videos, yeah. And watching videos, which basically, which is basically an apprenticeship in a way.

I like that. Oh, I'm gonna call myself a YouTube apprentice.

Yeah,

I love this idea. Yeah,

I mean, the value there is,

is that on your resume your stated? I think actually, what Eric is hitting on something there is you should have a class that is you mentioned, like how to learn, but how to look up and research things with modern tools. Because when I was in school, like in public school, like we learned, like the Dewey Decimal System, which you never even use after you left that app. Well, we we never use it because like, once we got into the world, the internet was a thing now. But before the internet, that was like the way to go look something up, right at a local library. I wonder if they teach kids that like how to properly use the internet to research things? Because I remember what was it, we couldn't use Wikipedia as a source when I was a kid, but you could just go to the source and Wikipedia, and then you can use that source. So

I think that'd be I love this idea. But I think it has one I want to go back for. And you so you probably spend a year or maybe two years at AJ and then you've got to you've got this practical experience, but then you probably have to go back to college to get a you know, a business degree and engineering degree or whatever type of degree you want to get. So I would propose that that you take a J and incorporate it into the curriculum at college and instead of you know, you take like history one on one when you're an engineering major, like you don't need that. So instead of taking history one on one, you take your history, your plumbing, one on one or your woodshop one on one at the college level to earn like a associate's degree in adulting. And you just strip away you strip away you strip away all the BS

class doesn't sound like a 1920s pitch.

I think the biggest problem with this is you have to make that piece of paper you get at the end or something. And I guess like because all you're trying to do is get past what was it the HR pit of doom when you're applying for class first for jobs right? And so does that slip of paper from Above Average Joe's help you do that?

You're a proven adult

especially if you if you've met someone tomorrow that had one I you know what Parker said initially I think I think he hit the nail on the head. Because this is similar to an idea that Scott and I went through where he's basically using the star rating system to to pressure students into what they should be doing with their lives, and that you drill them through every topic under the sun with difficult assessments. And that way they can, at the end of say, like middle school phase, they have a list of their ratings. And maybe just one or two things were level fours. And the rest were threes and twos. So they know, this is what I should do. Because I have an edge over my peers, not just my peers in my classes, and maybe even the whole country. I feel like something like that would be a good precursor to your school, as, because if you do all that, and you end up with all threes, again, that's not bad. But you should not be going to something that's competing with force, like a like a university, you should go to something like yours and learn real functional skills to get you hired.

Yeah, I liked that. The interesting thing, though, is at I know at when I was 18, and looking towards going to college, I didn't have the same mindset that I do today. And things were perhaps a tad bit less cutthroat. I'm not necessarily saying they are today, but it's it's a lot different. Like the world was a huge opportunity, then, and now it's quite a bit more narrow for me. So it was, it was it would have been really hard to write things back then. Because I'm like, Oh, I don't know, do I like that? Am I really sure about it. Whereas today, it would be a lot easier to be like, I can't stand this, I won't do that.

Okay, so here's the key difference. You shouldn't be writing that. I think that's the fundamental problem with education, right? Is they say, What do you want to do? Because what do you know, you have no idea. It should be the, the assessment should be telling you, where you should focus and where you are potentially valuable. Where are your strengths? And then you as right, like, as an ignorant 16 year old? You? What do you wanna do with your rope? I don't know. But I'm good at this. So I guess I'll focus there. But yeah, that otherwise everybody would pick, I mean, I was going ice hockey, that was my, my selection, that was my five star option.

That's a major flaw of

talking about forms of government that control the means of economic production. Eric, aka communism,

obviously, the government should, should be in charge of all of this. I mean, my view on government is, you let the free market do stuff that's on you let them do but if you really want to get something accomplished, the important stuff you bring in the government. So with this

one, it's like not to get super too nerdy here. But it's like the sorting hat and Harry Potter where they put it on one person's head. They're like, you know, doctor, lawyer? Yes. Sacher at the grocery?

I mean, what a service that would be. Because this sounds like a 1920s pitch for high school. It sounds like a pitch to a society who only has Middle School, quote, unquote, the eighth grade education? Did they give you just the basics in generalities? And then from there you go to life, if somebody's coming in saying, we need something beyond just the basics, but even you hear it in our conversation, we're assuming that this is college, because I think high school has failed us so much. So

it sounds like what high school should be here in America?

Yeah, yeah. There's something fundamentally wrong with education to where it devolves into what we have. Because, again, at some point, there was no high school and they said, We need something more, they added High School, then now everybody's going to college. And now they're saying we need more of that, as well, so many people are getting master's degree. So there's something fundamentally broken about how we, in the feedback loop of education, which I think that your school would be a response to. It and I'll recap what we said, unrecorded, because in, in your in your pitch, it's it's back to that that mentality of the first learn, you know, learn the basics, reading, writing, arithmetic, then learn a trade to fall back on. And what you covered in there was homebase trades, office, you know, valuable to an office trades and then actual trades. And because I think that's kind of makes sense, the way you would live life is learn a basic thing to make money. If you're good at that, and you can do something more than now you have money to spend on college. I think what we did with engineers, we kind of, we kind of, you know, put all our money into hotels right away and mortgaged all of our properties, right, because we said, we said we're just gonna jump right over the trade because we think we're valuable, we're going to be valuable enough. We'll learn all this stuff and prove it. And then there will be companies to kind of burn, you know, six months to a year on us because of the potential and it pays off, like, you know, two years into a job I'm doing stuff that I know is valuable. And it was worth that six months of just me being lost. But that's not for everybody. So that there, there's some, I think there's something there's a filtration need on the on the front end of this.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna counter here to that. So, we've got our oldest kid is three years old right now. And we're we're making that trade of, you know, do we do public school, or do homeschooling and one of the things that we really liked particularly about homeschooling is the ability to teach them and train them to do this type of stuff and through different types of one up classes here they're at at when they get get into high school. And I'm debating whether to steal your idea and and call our home, our homeschool the, the School of the above average Joe's.

So that when they graduate is a kid named Joe, because that would be awesome. I

think we might have to change it. So and they're all going to be named Joe. So all and we'll give them 1234 Or five. Not to not to reference stars, though, but no, that's, I think you see that a lot with homeschoolers of wanting to do that. Keep them home, too, to get those life skills that when they go to school, they're just learning about whatever. I'm not discriminative very well, but learning unnecessary skills, where they're not going to be prepared to have a family or be a good employee. That's not saying that that school doesn't do that public school doesn't do that. But I will say, Have you heard of Mike Rowe? Yeah, have you heard of micro, he's the Dirty Jobs guy. And his whole, like post dirty jobs where it is he realized that these people that were doing these dirty jobs that like some of them were making really good money. But more than that, they they were enjoying the things that they were doing, they might not have been making the most money, but they were enjoying the things that they were doing and their level of satisfaction. And their their home life was just was great. And it loved it. And there's something satisfying of like, fixing your own things and doing physical labor instead of you know, spending all day in front of a spreadsheet or editing requirements documents, which I may or may not have done recently, so

are making podcasts on on that also stems from we're gonna go way down this this rabbit hole is that it's unfortunate that there's a lot of families out there that also treat or have to treat, like public schools, especially here in the States as like daycare. And I think I think actually making it a good idea for above average Joe's is maybe that's like a facility that multiple like cuz it here in Texas, like you have multiple schools that are like in a district. I don't know how that's elsewhere in the United States, but But you have, you'd only need like maybe one or two of these per district, how big the district is, and you go there after school, because like school ends at like three o'clock or something like that. And then you have like three hours where before your parents get home? Well, you go to a j and learn this kind of stuff.

Let me let me Steven, let me describe, especially if you're in a position where you where your hiring. Practice is a company. And their idea was we know they know that there's 18 year olds who don't fit the mold. And they see that that the ROI on college is questionable. And so what they did is they they create a program kind of like a like a coding boot camp. But for sales, marketing, project management, customer success, I think those are the four the four divisions. You pay them, you pay them money, and what they do is for six months, they give you basic training, and they help you find a job you know, including those life skills of how do you look for a job? How do you present yourself well, how do you interview you do that? And after six, six months you're employed and then they they average $50,000 for the for the entry level position. So as an 18 and a half year old, you're are employed, it's $50,000 job. And you're for the rest of the year, you're working your first job and you're talking to this, this this group practice about, like, how do I handle this? How do I talk to my boss about this? What's, what's going on there. And it's basically like a launching pad into your career. Now for that. It's, they're charging $12,000. Which sounds, which sounds like a lot of money, because it is a lot of money. But it's also comparable to your school. And they have a 90 plus percent of of landing somebody with $50,000 job. So the ROI is right there in the face, in your face. What do you think about a program like that, relative to what you're thinking with with with your school?

I think that totally that fits within, within the concept of what I'm going for it but it seems to be perhaps, maybe not not a full the full portion of everything that that's going through my mind, because that's teaching you direct, like, how do we get you into a job? As opposed to how do we give you skills that you'll use for the rest of your life? Which a lot of times those are the same thing? But, you know, are they going to teach things like maintaining your home or taxes or whatnot at a school like that? Probably not as much. And that's not necessarily a problem. So what it sounds like, I think that is fantastic. And I think that is perhaps 60 70% of what AJ would be.

Yeah, the the feedback loop, I think is the thing that really stuck out to me is what drives your curriculum? Because I think that's what's broken and missing is, I mean, how much have I mentioned differential equations? Have you Have y'all used? About the same amount as

we had a podcast about it? The other week? I use my first one since college.

So as useful as the Dewey Decimal System.

Right, so effectively, yeah,

slightly more useful,

slightly more. Okay. But one, but for the amount of time we put into differential equations, and cow three and integrating over over over volumes. It's insane that I think that's the key. And that would fix education is that feedback loop needs to be re established to where you running that program, you would always be talking to employers, the question would not be what's valuable? It's a valuable skill. It's like, what do you what are people willing to pay? an hour, you know, a medium salary? For? That's what's needed. So, my pushback there is on the art part of it, right is, is I feel like that's, that's why would you take let's say, a three star student, who's who's saying, all right, I get need to get real practical, real fast with my life, because I'm not a four star in anything. Let me learn plumbing. Why are you torturing this this person by making him make a sculpture out of pipes?

Well, okay, so there's, there's a lot to unpack there. So, it, I wouldn't call it torture. First of all, but the I think one of the biggest things is, in order, one way to really solidify, the knowledge that you have gained is not through a very functional test, but it's through something that you generate something that you want to accomplish. It's something that stems from you, as opposed to a professor saying, make sure that these two pipes connect together. Sure, that is incredibly important. And if you took pomp plumbing class, that is what you would learn, because that is its function, but being able to wrap your mind around, how do I manipulate materials to get what I want out of it, and I already have the basic functionality of I know how to connect pipes together, I believe will solidify those skills quite a bit more than just extra time in plumbing class.

So you need to do a thesis on on PVC pipe.

I suppose you want to call it thesis, you don't think

you should force someone to do art? But you could just have them? I mean, it could be they go plumber house?

Yeah. How would you compare those two?

I think I think perhaps too much practice. Too much practicality can be an issue, I believe. I believe there is a lot to learn from not having very rigid boundaries on the work that you're accomplishing. And in the creative world, the boundaries are entirely set by you, right.

I got it I got it. So instead of having so let's say you don't want to do the art thing What if you had to plumb a house incorrectly? Got to make sure the plumbing didn't work. Because that would require way more creativity than actually plumbing the house

like Right Turn on your kitchen sink and that turns on your shower.

Well, and that would be a really great way to generate the exam for the person who has to redo your work. And fix it.

Do you think there's some the Do you think that that that that aspect is only attracted to a certain group of people it used to use my system is that the people that are fours, but they like to plumb so they they're, so they get bored with the basics? And I'm also wondering if this is a shared thing with? I'm talking to an engineer who's doing an artistic outlet outlet, right? So is this something that maybe that reflects more of what you are? Or do you think this is for every single person who wants to learn, should should have as a creative expression of what they're learning?

There's multiple answers to that. I mean, of course, because I generated it, there's a lot of biases that I would have loved to have gone to a school that was like this, that I think that a school like this would have very much spoken to me. In fact, if if I had enough time, effort, money, I would have loved to have gone to two or three or four years of this, and then gone and got an engineering degree. Because I think something like this would have equipped me a lot better, even though I accomplished my degree in the allotted time I needed to, I feel like there's so much more I could have gained from this than I could have taken to my engineering degree. And I've always had creative outlets, that that involve engineering, but also mechanics and working with my hands. And I've seen the benefit that that's done for me and the perspective that's given whenever I approach a new problem. And so I do think that I have a unique way of understanding the value of not having those rigid rules behind this is what you must do to accomplish something. And so creating, or not creating, having students do something that is creative, I believe is absolutely worthwhile. But of course, 100% of this is biased. Yeah.

I think this idea is leverage. It's like it at four, maybe maybe a five, I would probably I would probably send my kids to AES, a school like this.

I think if you incorporate this into like a after high school program, it'd be a five for sure.

Yeah, I would. If this replaced High School, our education system would be four stars. Yeah, I think so. Very cool.

All right. I'm gonna jump into my ideas because I think Scott's is actually gonna be like, an awesome idea. And mine are not and I don't want to end on to terrible ideas. Alright, because my nor like, we had some like, three, we had some pretty good philosophical ideas so far. And mine are the typical ideas. I come up on this podcast. So the auto echo, so what if you had an automatic pool cleaner? Because those exist, right? But the problem is boring to look at. They're just big hunks of plastic. And they can just like make noise and kind of like gurgling have to go clean them and that kind of stuff. What if it looked like an otter?

Yeah, yeah.

given you the otter MATIC 2000 pool cleaner.

Love it. Oh my God, that's great.

So far, the name is five stars, Gary. Change the world.

But you could have different creatures you can have like sharks, maybe something like that. Because your kids will love it. I mean, it will look it's gonna be so cute.

Fans fantastic. Yeah,

this So yeah, that's why we didn't end with that one. So my other idea is with all this cryptocurrency that's been going on. What if you had a coin called friend coin. And so what friend coin is for is just a cryptocurrency between you and all your friends. And you exchange it for like, for like doing? Like if you need to borrow tool or you need to go help, you know, lift the barbecue pit up in the backyard. So you exchange this as currency for like favors and that kind of stuff.

You would like to keep track of favors.

It keeps. It keeps track of favors in your group of friends.

But what's current?

No, it's not Not fungible. Or is that

or yeah, what's the base currency? Fun coin. But right like so. So how do I determine how many fun coins? are you borrowing this microphone versus me borrowing your car?

Ah, so you'd have to determine what each one is worth. I guess. I guess you could just do one coin for one coin for a favor at the start and then you start banking on you know, how many coins is a car worth to borrow versus a microphone? Or can you

mind friend coins?

That would be the thing is how you would get more currency is you have to mine it. And so that's so you could be that one person in the basement that just gets all like he's like the whale of of favors. Right? Yes.

So if you're the guy who has a truck, and spends every Saturday going around moving your friends stuff, like that person is just filthy rich and friend coin right? Filthy rich, and they're mining like actual money.

So in our Twitch chat, DJ says, One friend coin would be like, one beer, which I think is actually a good idea. Well, I don't like so so if you were going to do a favor for X beers, it would be that many X friend coin. So it's like

a beer, a wise idea.

But the problem with beer is you drink it. And so it goes away. Friend coin is forever. Well, until the you

could coin for beer, though.

Yes, you could.

So it's money.

So money is money, but keep it's keeping track of favors.

So where I thought you were originally going with this idea was street cred. You know how you talk about somebody's got street cred? I thought you were going with a very intangible thing.

Huh? Yeah, I see. Okay, so funny enough DJ DJ in the chat. Make makes a good point. If it is based on on beer, the fact that you drink it is what makes it valuable, because the currency actually disappears, like, it's actually gets destroyed. So there ends up being an inherent value in it.

But then you're well, yes. And so the miners of your brew coin are the homebrewers

this coin just keeps changing based off of what it needs to be right.

Prevents inflation by drinking it.

All right, I, I'm gonna give I'm gonna give this idea a two star. And I know I'll back this up. Because without I'll say two stars without the beer. And this isn't a beer thing. This is this is a this is a Bitcoin thing because I'm giving you just revealed that Bitcoin is a two star idea fundamentally broken? Because we could not answer the question. But what is it and we immediately will say you're right, we need to have this this magical coin be set in some sort of framework. And we had your your, your beer backed currency, you had some some sort of stored value to base this all all on? So I think with the beer, I give it a solid, a solid three stars, just because I think you could use it because it's favors,

so we need to we need it well, so we need a federal bureau reserve that our currency is is tied to

Yeah, every brewery is a local mint. Right? Exactly. I think it's I think it's a three idea mainly I think it's a three that could become a four it has a lot of potential but at the moment it's like no I liked that idea.

Yeah, I think I think the issue with it is mining it because then if you if you the that's actually the problem with with cryptocurrencies is the early adopters are the winners right with with cryptocurrency multilevel marketing inverse successful right? They're the so if you get an early on friend coin you have you can generate more favors earlier on. Get free, free, free people with trucks to help you move.

Yeah, but favors don't have inflation, right. A favor a long time ago doesn't become less than forever.

Value. Right. You're right. A favor is a favor does not inflate. Or

deflate it favors a favor. Yeah.

See, I think with this idea, you just Have to get your group together and say, Hey, we're all going to go this together, and you've got 10 friend coins or whatever. And those friend coins can be broken down to, to very small value. So you can like, I'll trade you a 10th of friend coin. If you come help me move, move my couch, or move this mattress or chop down a tree or whatever. And so you can break it down that small and you could have a accept or reject button where the person on the other side is like, Hey, I reject that. But if you pay me two tenths of a bit, friend coin, I hope you.

Yeah, I like that. And there's other tasks that like, if you say, you're going out of town, and someone needs to watch your dog, that could be like all 50 friend coins. I'll give you 50 Then friend coins for, you know, a weekend of watching my dog kind of thing.

All right, I got changed my rating. I'm giving your idea for because I think it's great. And I love the idea of keeping track of all the favors I had and what I'm owed and everything. But now I'm giving myself a two star because I'm a horrendous person for keeping a record of

that's actually exactly my brain was going at. I'm like, this is actually a terrible idea. Great idea. It makes us terrible humans. But

yeah, it makes us terrible. We're loving it. Okay, Scott.

All right. So I am going to send you Yes, you interspace. So, over the past, you know, 10 years, we've really seen a transformation in space. I think most notably over the past year, year and a half. We've seen SpaceX Blue Origin virgin launch people in the space last week or two weeks ago now like inspiration for was a private mission. The first one was just private people flying into space and no, you see a lot of billionaires and themselves up. Richard Branson did it in July Jeff Bezos did but but the problem is, is they're they're billionaires and even the inspiration for crew their main guy on that was a billionaire and so it's just like a billionaire and his friends like Hey, come on join my joint joining my spaceship. So I want to know how this regular 100 errs can can fly on these spaceships, spaceships without like having to sell my house. And the and how

can you send someone from the College of average Joe's? Exactly.

Yeah. There should be a class there of like, how do you fix your spaceship? Yeah, yeah, so soon there will be because we're all be flying in this space.

But what an average Joe sit next to me if I was going to space.

So the answer right now is reality TV. So this TV shows called the astronaut and it's similar. It's similar to the apprentice survivor, those types of contender those types of shows. And where you have people go through all the types of training that they do for astronauts so you've got your like water survival, you've got do isolation training. You do non I don't know what you call it non isolation training where you just sit in a bathroom with like five of your best friends or whoever strength total strangers and you go through centerview centrifuge. You do. You fly a jet might go into the NBL, the big water tank where people float around the Neutral Buoyancy Lab. You do the vomit comet like those are all distinct episodes within this within this TV show, and you knew that you need a sage to you need like your Donald Trump person. And so we still got a few of them left. So it's really important that somebody does this idea like tomorrow, because they're dying quickly, but you need an Apollo astronaut, somebody that's walked on the moon to be the sage. And like, right, these people have like, No, you are not good enough to be an astronaut. Get out of here. And it's got to be a like a Gene Kranz type figure maybe two. Or like Neil Armstrong's dead, but yet Buzz Aldrin has got a lot of spunk in him, where he could be crotchety and in just the right amount of As a bonus to, and then you also get input from social media votes to see who you want to fly in space and who you don't want to see fly in space. And so it's just regular application process. So people apply to try to get on the TV TV show. And there's a catch to this though. Have you guys ever heard of the Berkeley marathons? No,

I don't think so. No,

I've never heard of that.

The Berkeley marathons, it's kind of notorious for being one of the the I don't know how to put it the cruelest ultramarathons out there, it's when you get a, you have to apply to it. And when you get a accepted to it, you actually get a letter of condolence in the mail, and the thing about it is, it's they don't mark, they don't have like a start time, they don't really have the trail marked, where they're running at 60 or 100 miles. Instead of it's a loop. And so instead of doing the loop, like three loops one way, you do one loop one way, and then you turn around and do it the other way backwards, and then you do it around again. So it's really, really hard. It's really difficult. And they owe it and you have a lot of guys that come to this race that are you these are the proudest, the best ultra marathon is trying to do this race. But you always there, he always picks one or two guys that have no reason for being there at all. Like the outer shape do that is performed really well but really wants to do it. And so you do that with this astronaut, you you pick somebody that's like the complete underdog of like, this guy has no earthly idea. He doesn't want you like he's afraid of heights, he gets motion sickness easy. And you pick him to be to be in this. So the astronaut, that's, that's my that's my idea for for here.

So I have a really good idea for season two of this. I love this idea. Oh, it's amazing, too, is everyone isn't in outer space already. And you have to go like to the moon or something like you're training people to go to the moon. But like, so he's like, you know, like Survivor, like they kick people out of the island. You go out the airline cutthroat

Yeah, he's leaving life or death.

You see, I feel like this is this has ties to the apprentice. But the person who wins needs to have Donald Trump be like, you're fired. And then and then they launch him into space. Just it lends itself perfectly to that.

There you go. This is the

I love the idea. Especially because Go ahead. Oh, yeah, this

is a perfect example of a three star idea. But, but not an insult. Only three is. Okay. Yeah. So three stars would mean this is a show. Like 100% There's nothing about it that says this is that, like, we should all just go? Like, why is this not on Amazon Prime? With Jeff Bezos? Who owns that? There's no reason. Now is this? Is this gonna be like a transcendent show? No. Is this gonna be a great show? Maybe. But for sure. It's it deserves to be on TV. Like, if you knew a TV producer, you like, I see no reason why if you if you knew how to get a show on TV and sold to Amazon, you would you would be selling this show. I think.

I don't have those connections. So if anybody is listening to that has those connections. Just yeah, let me know.

I have all the ideas. I bet you Scott, your idea happens within a year. I hope so.

I think it's a fantastic idea.

I've had it for ever. And I've just been waiting for the macro fab engineering podcast, right?

Okay, so I have I have an idea that kind of morphs this just a little bit, or maybe adds a layer to it, because I feel like you could break it off and do the same show. It's exactly the same show. But there's different versions of it. Because there is the super hyper nerdy kid who wants to be astronaut or kid who wants to go into aerospace. There could be a version of the show that shows all of the nitty gritty that they have to go through that shows all the details of like them pulling knobs and like I've got to learn all This. And then there's the like Survivor nut that doesn't want to see any of that. And they want to see the drama and they want to see the people crying in the back. And there's that that part of the show. And like, it would be so awesome if you could tune into either version of that, and you get whatever type you want to see. And at the end, it's still someone go into space and you saw a really cool reality show.

Like that. That's that's huge. It's almost like it. Yeah, I think that's one thing I liked about Big Bang Theory is like, there is definitely some nerdy stuff going on in there.

So when does this show get its HGTV spin off? Where it's like flipping, flipping a space satellite?

I thought you're gonna say decorating the ISS?

Yeah, cuz you gotta sell it. You gotta buy it, buy it, buy a foreclosed satellite, dress it up and resell it. It needs shiplap everywhere ship is good. And Hardy

plank on the outside of satellites.

Oh, yeah, that does. This does work into Stevens. pirate radio idea from way back 70 Episode 77. Yeah, that's a great idea. I love it. I like that it's not really because if Steven was on it, that would be his like, you know how they always do like a mini episode of like, of like the background of like, why this person deserves to be there and that kind of stuff. Because that would be Stephens background.

I'd be that guy who's like I'd be up there and I've smuggled on my little pirate radio satellite. Open the door throw it out into space, close the door. Well

I like that idea. I like this idea a lot. Scott. Yeah.

It needs to happen. I Yeah. It needs to happen. So if you know anybody, you know, send them my way.

Is that the billionaire's was patients y'all know how to tie stuff up with intellectual property? Because this idea and the the automatic? Like?

I mean, you would put your life in either of those, but you'd love to make $1 off everyone.

I mean, we have timestamps on when this comes out. So at least, you know, people will know that Scott came up with this idea. And there will be a lot of your welcomes.

Yeah, you're welcome world.

So let's wrap up this pocket because I'm really looking forward to the late night As Seen On TV automatic 2000. That would be a wonderful infomercial. That would. Alright, are there questions in the chat? All right. I don't think we have any. No, I don't think there's actually any ideas in the chat. I think there was a lot of commenting on ideas. Yeah, a lot of people were riffing on what we were saying though. Oh. Fancy fancy. Steven really liked the combo star rating with Eric and and the above average Joe's though. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. So, Scott, and Eric, thank you so much for coming on this. I think we're at like an hour and a half long podcast. But um, like we did last year. Y'all will have to come back again.

Yeah, we'll hit you up in like a year. We'd love to come back. All right, so Parker's gone full robot again. So with that, Scott, would you like to sign us out?

Yeah, that was a macro fab engineering podcast. We were your hosts. Oh, they were their hosts.

We had the wrong thing written there. So sorry. Well, they were our guests.

All right. We were a guest Scott Hanson and Eric Benson Hoffer

and we were your host, and Steven Craig, and take it easy. That's amazing.