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Runtime Part A: (37:51)
Runtime Part B: (26:04)
Runtime Part C: (35:08)
Runtime Part D: (27:23)
- Part A
- Vehicles of Star Wars
- Tie Fighters: Twin Ion Engine. This tech exists but its super low power but efficient.
- Hovercraft and levitation. Land speeders, Pod Racers, Repulsor Lift technology. Magnetic levitation?
- Power: Fission batteries? A AA battery weighs around 23g. Convert it all to energy e=mc^2 and you get 2 quintillion Joules of power. 2,067,136,911,094,680,572 Joules to be precise.
- 16 Teslas to levitate a frog. This consumed 4MW of energy according to the paper. A “common frog” weighs 22.7g. Compact car weighs about 1200kg. So that is 211,453 and some change MW or Joules per second. 8.4million Teslas. This is 211,453,000,000 Watts. A Fission AA battery could power this for 9,775,869seconds or around 113 Days.
- Weapons of Star Wars
- Death Star
- Cost of Steel alone would be $852 quadrillion which is 13,000 times the worlds GDP.
- How much steel required to make it? It is 160km in diameter and they modeled the Death Star to have a density similar to a modern warship. Which gives us 1.08×1015 tonnes of steel. World wide production of steel is 1.3 billion tonnes a year which will take over 800K years to make enough steel.
- Thats no moon. Speaking of the size. Earths moon is 3,474km. Smallest moon in our solar system is Methone which orbits Saturn with a diameter of ~3km.
- How much energy would be required to blow up a Planet? Earth would require 2.24 × 10^32 Joules to blow apart the gravitational binding energy of the Earth if you consider it a uniform sphere. In 1 second the Sun generates 3.8 x 10^26 Joules. Which means in 589,473 seconds or about 6.8 days worth of energy. Gives a reason behind Star Killer Base.
- Star Killer Base
- Its not as silly as people make it out to be in comparison to a Death Star.
- Energy gathered from a Sun? How would that work?
- Death Star
- Vehicles of Star Wars
- Part B
- Weapons of Star Wars (continued)
- Light Sabers
- Elegant weapon for a more civilized age. Lots of mystical lore surrounding this weapon.
- Force aligned crystals are necessary for their construction.
- How would the blade be created? Plasma? Use EM fields to constrain it.
- They are not laser weapons! This is why the projectiles do not travel at the speed of light.
- Gas cartridge and a power cell.
- 400-500 shots per charge.
- Gas can be mostly anything but typically is Tibanna – a naturally gas found on Bespin home of cloud city. The gas is created by Beldons huge gas filled creatures. Tibanna is also used as hyperdrive coolant.
- They are not laser weapons! This is why the projectiles do not travel at the speed of light.
- Light Sabers
- Weapons of Star Wars (continued)
- Part C
- Light Speed Travel
- Faster then light travel in Star Wars is accomplished by transporting the vessel to near light speed and then jumping to a “Hyper Space” dimension where faster then light travel is possible.
- In our universe an almost infinite amount of energy is required to go light speed.
- Possible if this “Hyper Space” is worm hole tunneling.
- Mechanics exist to make them work.
- General Grievous.
- Really great prosthetics but crappy looking trashcan robots exist in the same universe.
- The “Force”
- The force is actually the main character of SW. That’s why prequels suck.
- It’s expressed in the Skywalker family as the balance of the force. The Skywalkers will be the unbalance AND balance in the force.
- Fundamental problem with midichlorians – turns a mystic ‘non-scientific’ phenomenon into high school organic chemistry, but makes the force worthy of science or tech discussion.
- Force as consciousness.
- Is the “Force” possibility the control over dark matter/energy? 70% of the universe is supposedly dark matter/energy. Possible that The First Order from EP7 that they can control Dark Energy via the Star Killer Base and being able to stop light sabers.
- Light Speed Travel
- Part D
- What is your favorite Star Wars Character?
- Favorite sound effect?
- The prequels? Do they exist?
- Why do some Jedi disappear after dying and others don’t?
- What are we excited or concerned about most in the new Rogue One movie?
- What is your favorite Star Wars Character?
Special thanks to whixr over at Tymkrs for the intro and outro!
About The Hosts
Parker Dillmann is MacroFab's Co-Founder, and Lead ECE with backgrounds in Embedded System Design, and Digital Signal Processing. He got his start in 2005 by hacking Nintendo consoles into portable gaming units. He also runs the blog, longhornengineer.com, where he posts his personal projects, technical guides, and appnotes about board layout design and components. Parker graduated with a BS in Electrical and Computer Engineering from the University of Texas.
Stephen Kraig began his electronics career by building musical oriented circuits in 2003. Stephen is an avid guitar player and, in his down time, manufactures audio electronics including guitar amplifiers, pedals, and pro audio gear. Stephen graduated with a BS in Electrical Engineering from Texas A&M University.
Host 1 00:20
Hello and welcome to the first annual macro fab engineering podcast Star Wars Christmas special. I am your guest, Josh.
Host 2 00:30
And we're your hosts Parker, Dolman and
Host 3 00:31
Host 2 00:32
That was great. Thank you.
Host 3 00:34
Host 2 00:35
So as Josh said, this is the first annual Star Wars Christmas special, something like that, right?
Host 3 00:42
Yeah, the mag fab engineering Podcast, episode number 46, where we are going to be taking apart Star Wars and dissecting all the different sections and looking at the engineering and the mathematics and the science behind it, and maybe even delving into some of the weird spiritual stuff with the force.
Host 2 01:00
So yeah, so I guess we'll go ahead and jump jump right in with vehicles of Star Wars. So the vehicles and Star Wars like ships, land speeders, all that good stuff. So the first thing I really want to talk about too is like is like hovering. Because that we can't do that here on Earth, at least yet. Besides, you know, the hoverboards that you usually see aren't really hoverboards they're just like segways without sticks on them. So like, let's say, Luke's speeder on tattooing, right? Yeah. So I actually was doing a little research on how you can make stuff levitate like that. And actually, the the Star Wars lore says it's actually maglev. Okay, it's actually levitating by magnetics. And so, I did a little research I figured out that there was a a research group that actually was able to levitate a frog in a magnetic field. So just a large magnet produce. Yeah. So Well, the reason why the the fire was able to levitate levitate was because it was dyed magnetic. which water is diamond Daya. Daya. Magnetic. So like humans are diamond dye a magnetic I they chose frogs because it was they have more water
Host 3 02:23
In front of them really high water content? Yeah. So put them in a magnetic field and you have a better chance of actually
Host 1 02:30
Making them levitate? Doesn't that require an absurd amount of power? Even still?
Host 2 02:34
Yeah, cuz it took 16, Tesla's of magnetic flux, which is a lot like I think the earth is 1.5
Host 3 02:40
Tesla. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's enormous. Now, they actually did some other stuff, too. I think they levitated a strawberry too. Yes. So I guess it's anything that has a high enough water content? If you use a magnet high enough. Yeah.
Host 2 02:56
So you could put if tattoo mean had water underneath it? Yeah. Underneath the sand. You could you could levitate off that, or you put I guess water inside your, your ship?
Host 1 03:10
What if there was just a high iron content in the possibly but then you're tattooing?
Host 2 03:16
Well, what if Yeah, that's possible. But then you have other covering things like on Endor with the speeder bikes, and that kind of stuff.
Host 1 03:23
Maybe the entire Star Wars universe is incredibly Ferris.
Host 2 03:27
Yeah, everything's made of iron.
Host 3 03:29
So actually, if everything is so incredibly ferrous, to that level, the gravity on the planets would be enormous. So these people aren't human. They're just like, ultimate superhuman. Yeah, be able to withstand that kind of gravity. Yeah. So
Host 2 03:43
Yeah, back to how much power right? So they were using four megawatts of electricity to produce this 16 Tesla field. And I figured out, you know, a common frog weighs about 22 grams. And so I'm like, okay, you know, the, the landspeeder is about the size of a small car. It's about 1200 kilograms, according to Wikipedia, what a compact car weighs. So that's about let's see, I'm looking at my cheat sheet real quick. Oh, yeah. So that that would mean to levitate a car the same way. It'd be 211,000 megawatts of power to create that Tesla field. Basically, to levitate it and that's like 8.4 million Tesla's? Okay. Yeah, let's, let's put this into
Host 3 04:41
Perspective. Real quick. A coal power plant a an efficient coal power plant. 345 megawatt is what you're going to expect from the entire plant. Yes. Going, going, you know, full power. So I'm gonna say thumbs down on this video. I'm gonna say this this ain't gonna gonna really go well for
Host 1 05:03
You. I would imagine in the Star Wars universe, there are many more efficient ways than Daya magnetic levitation.
Host 3 05:10
Yeah, probably not relying on water. But the thing is,
Host 1 05:13
Because because it sort of by context suggests that the landspeeder is sort of like it's the pinto of tattooing. Yeah. It's a great honor. Yeah, it's it's the crappiest car available.
Host 3 05:25
But in the movies, if you see it, everyone has them. They're all over the place. So it's so this is this is a technology that isn't for the elites.
Host 2 05:38
But it's interesting those those power requirements are seem absurd. But if they in the Star Wars universe, they have crazy like hyper matterI actors and stuff, but if they just was able to master fission, like fission batteries, if you took a double A fission battery, and basically took the mass in a fission in a double A battery, and converted it all to energy, it would be two, two quintillion joules of electricity. Electric joules of energy,
Host 1 06:10
There's energy you need for your What would you have me how many? Tesla's?
Host 3 06:15
1618? Yeah, it was way beyond 16. At that point.
Host 1 06:20
Yeah, it was, um, and some despair for your iPod.
Host 2 06:24
Yeah, so So you
Host 3 06:25
Know what your phone's still like 3% Charge and you can't get
Host 1 06:30
With your fishing battery.
Host 2 06:32
So you have 200,000 megawatts that you need, or that's actually Watts is joules per second. And so that one double A battery, if you converted it all fission to like, Joule power, you could actually run this hovercraft for 100 days, 113 days. So if they've mastered fission, which it's a probably have. Yeah, that kind of stuff is possible. Now, I human underneath that kind of like amount of magnetic flux, you might get all the iron ripped out of your skin. But it is possible. Actually,
Host 3 07:10
There's there's a great YouTube movie about that. There's a YouTube link about the the, the strongest magnet in the world. It's 40 Tesla, just an absolute beast, and you cannot be in the building when they turn it on. Because it will rip the iron out of your blood. That sounds fun. It's that powerful. And it's funny too, because in this in this YouTube video, the the camera crew were too close to it when they turned it on, and it wiped all the footage they had previously before that they were a little bit protective.
Host 1 07:42
It's a really efficient way to format your cards. Right. Yeah, right.
Host 3 07:45
But I think it's the place where they liberated the frog. Yeah. So we need to push that link. It's cool. All right. Yeah. Regardless, so if you look at the the
Host 1 07:54
Gateway, which go back to the frog with all that power, yeah. And, and so
Host 2 08:00
The frog's Tesla's
Host 1 08:02
Okay. Right? So so the diamagnetic properties of the frog could you ride the levitating frog?
Host 2 08:09
If you had more Tesla's probably? Or you were selling for your weight? Yeah, or you were small enough to fit on the frog So wait, what's the
Host 3 08:17
Point I just speeders if we can just hover around on frogs that's what I'm saying. Every giant like
Host 1 08:24
No, so what do you say common frogs? Just the common frog up underneath the middle of the chest of the speeder.
Host 2 08:33
Oh, you sound like most efficient travel. Like it's amazing. You walk up to the speeder and starts croaking. And you look underneath and it's just like 100
Host 3 08:41
Host 1 08:44
And you fill up with tab tadpoles. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. No, I could tell.
Host 3 08:49
The future is back when you drop frogs into the recharge frog capacitor, right? Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. That's how
Host 1 09:00
Lance Peters work. figured that out? Oh, yeah.
Host 3 09:04
This has been put to bed. We understand it now.
Host 1 09:06
We got it now. Yeah. Next.
Host 2 09:09
So in vehicles, though. Another big one is Thai fighters, right? Yeah. Ties twin ion engine. Right. And we actually have that technology now. There was the I think deep was a deep horizon.
Host 3 09:22
Was the the experiment.
Host 2 09:26
Yeah, it was that was the satellite that well not a satellite. It was the deep space probe for Yeah.
Host 1 09:32
De Pere rise. Wait, that's the oil. Well,
Host 2 09:36
I think that's right. It's it's something something about that.
Host 1 09:40
Call that a science. These are very different forms of energy. Yeah.
Host 2 09:44
Basically though, how they work is you have two sheets of stainless and you charge one up with a positive charge one with a negative charge. xenon gas goes through, gets charged up, then accelerates towards the other charge plate and then shoots out The back of the satellite. And that's how an ion drive works. And they're really great because they're very efficient because you only need to carry xenon gas with you.
Host 3 10:09
It's actually very similar to the way a vacuum tube works.
Host 2 10:12
Yes. But the problem with them is you don't have a lot of, you don't create a lot of force. And these Thai fighters are like, zipping around like crazy. And they're like some of the fastest fighters in the galaxy. Sure. So sure, we have that tech, but I don't think you can get it to go that fast.
Host 3 10:31
And then I can run gas canisters inside those things. I I seriously doubt. It's some form of energy drive where they're just converting? Well, if you look at the two panels on the side of a TIE Fighter, they're solar panels. Yeah, they're gathering energy that way. And somehow they're taking direct energy from sunlight and converting that into thrust,
Host 2 10:50
And will and how much thrust they're producing the move that quickly, there's somehow having like a greater than one unity on their solar panels. Sure.
Host 1 11:00
What happens when you go into the shadow of the Death Star? So it's like, you get behind the planet that's now in between you and and the solar soars?
Host 2 11:11
You gotta hope you just gotta hope that you don't have
Host 3 11:13
Any rebels behind you. Well, in A New Hope, when or when everyone's on the Falcon, and they're just about to be caught by the attractor, beam. They they see a TIE Fighter, right? And I think it's Obi one who notes that that's, that's a short range fighter that you'd never see one of these out in deep space hyperdrives will hyperdrives but also the fact that they don't have a long range and that's probably due to the fact that they're an energy vehicle and they have to store that energy in order so
Host 2 11:42
That they're green. Green Yeah, the the typewriters
Host 1 11:46
Oh, I like because there's no color No, no, sustainability is real important to the Empire.
Host 2 11:54
Exactly. Yeah. You know, they won't you know, mine planets completely barren of all their steel to make make that stars, which is like really good segue into the
Host 1 12:04
Troopers are vegan as well.
Host 2 12:08
Host 1 12:09
Wouldn't be on the desk.
Host 2 12:10
Maybe they just forced him to be vegan because it's more efficient. For sure. Because think about how many cows if you hadn't make a burger for every single person in the empire
Host 1 12:21
Did Camino genetic cloning I mean they got cloning down they're gonna clone clone kill the beast a nature whatever you want
Host 3 12:32
It's great because they don't talk about like star in Star Trek, you have replicators to generate stuff. Oh, right. Right. Yeah, but in the Death Star, they're just have herds of animals that they're slaughtering. Like half of the Deathstar. Right
Host 1 12:46
But what to say I think I just broke maybe what was one of our first rules like, Are we are we considering because I believe Camino cloning, that's all pre cool. Lore
Host 2 12:58
Assumes that the prequels exist.
Host 1 13:00
Well, no, no, I'm not there. I'm not there. I'm just saying do are we? Are we referencing the science and technology? Oh, yeah, that's
Host 2 13:06
Fine. That's fine of the of the prequels as well. Those are canon so a Canon
Host 3 13:11
So wait where I think correct me if I'm wrong may pull up pull up your your history here. Do they call the stormtroopers clones in four, five and six anywhere in four, five and six? I think they mentioned it. Yes, they do. So therefore,
Host 1 13:25
They talk about the Clone Wars.
Host 3 13:27
They you right, they do talk about the Clone Wars. So I think it's acceptable to kind of backtrack by using that.
Host 1 13:34
But when did they become clones because in seven they're not clone
Host 2 13:38
Well, seven after his 30 years after six and after that time, they stopped cloning and just started just getting people
Host 3 13:47
What the regular way
Host 1 13:51
Recruiting recruitment office. Yeah, that's way less just all those
Host 3 13:59
Posters with Vader. I want you now Yeah.
Host 2 14:04
I can a stormtrooper doing the we can do it. pose
Host 3 14:08
Right. Empire propaganda.
Host 2 14:13
Background just like that is the Deathstar. That's half complete. So never forget.
Host 3 14:19
I when I was when I was a child, I remember watching Star Wars a ton. And I missed a huge part of Star Wars. I thought when they when they destroyed the first desktop. The second one that pops up. I thought that was at the like the exploded portion. I thought that they had like, blow up the whole thing. So that was the same one. And when I when I finally came to that conclusion, I was like, Oh, I've missed a lot. That's the whole
Host 1 14:52
Thing about government spending, you know? Yeah, I have one when you have to at twice the cost. Right.
Host 3 14:56
Right. Exactly. And then in that being said, in fact, we were talking about That's the other day. Did they have multiple? Were they making a ton of them? desktops that
Host 2 15:05
Is oh at the same time?
Host 1 15:07
Sure why not?
Host 2 15:10
A fleet, a fleet fleet that stars. But what do they named them differently? No, because the second one is seriously that stuff start to
Host 3 15:18
Start right, right. Okay, they got smart in Episode Seven and named it something different. Right? Well it was never figured out.
Host 2 15:27
Actually the best part when they kill when they blow up start Star Killer base or death killer. No Starkiller Base, actually. Yeah, sorry. That's actually was the original last name for Luke Skywalker.
Host 1 15:38
Yeah. Star Killer. Yeah, really?
Host 3 15:41
Yep. That was a good move to change the name. Yeah.
Host 2 15:47
Anyways, um, I got was going with that one. Anyways, we'll go on to that star.
Host 3 15:56
So when the Yeah, the wisdom
Host 1 15:57
Segue to the Death Star. Yeah.
Host 2 16:01
So this story is ginormous. Right? I mean, they even say it. That's no moon because I think it's moon. But the thing is, is actually pretty tiny. It's only 160 kilometers, I think it was. Measure 160 160 kilometers in diameter.
Host 1 16:21
No, I know. But like, I get this all night. But what is your source on that one?
Host 2 16:27
That source? The Wookieepedia? Well, but
Host 1 16:31
I'm saying they say how they arrived. Is it by relative size? I think it's relative size to something that was given a measurement. In science, your I think that's just the accuracy of measure is like the most important thing so yeah. What like, like,
Host 3 16:48
We got off on a calling this out. In the last 35 Oh, that's not my phone. That's my phone. Is your battery's dead? Oh, great. In the, in the last 35 years, I'm sure there has been countless nerds who have sat on their television screen with rulers measuring the height of a human is this. The Falcon is this therefore the hangar door is this wide compared to a human. And actually there is a scene when they're pulling the Falcon into the desktop with the tractor beam, they show the width, or actually at that time, it's the height of the trench, you know, as they're pulling it in. And so in that scene, you can gather some form of information
Host 1 17:31
Well, because you compare the X wings, also to the Trench, right? X wings to humans. Ah, there you go. There's your pointer.
Host 2 17:40
So it's 160 kilometers in diameter. Earth's moon is 3474 kilometers in diameter.
Host 3 17:49
So that was like an asteroid.
Host 2 17:50
Yeah, actually. And there was a, I looked it up basically started looking. What is a similar size in our universe? It was one of Saturn's moons is actually really close. But let's be fair here. You
Host 1 18:05
Say it's small. It's a man made 160 kilometer diameter sphere is a large object. Yeah, that's
Host 2 18:14
Correct. Because I think the International Space Station is 100 meters. So a couple of quarter mags?
Host 3 18:23
Yeah, a few. Yeah. 160 kilometers. That sounds like the width of Houston.
Host 1 18:28
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's probably a little smaller than Greater Houston. Yeah.
Host 3 18:32
Then Greater Houston. So convert Houston into a sphere. And you have the Deathstar.
Host 2 18:36
Ah, I found it. I found it the the moon methylone, which orbits Saturn has a diameter of about
Host 3 18:46
160 Yeah. So there you go. We have that. That was I've seen that moon so we
Host 1 18:53
Know now for sure. Methadone was George Lucas's. inspirate Yeah, exactly.
Host 2 18:57
Discovered by That's annoying. Yeah. Anyway, so you have this ginormous warship, right? So I actually found a group of people who actually already did all the calculations for me of how much steel you would have to have to build this thing. And it's funny they use the density of a warship that we build and just scaled up to the Death Star can't wait here this the steel the cost of the steel alone be 152 quadrillion dollars. Just the raw materials, the raw material, and that's about let's see. 1.082 times 10 to the 15 tonnes of steel. So 15 zeros Yeah, this is insane. Does does the
Host 3 19:49
Planet earth even have that much? Yes.
Host 2 19:51
Really? We can build like so we got Yes, yes. I think it was like we can build about 100 of these things. Oh, We have a there's no
Host 3 20:01
Way you pull that much steel off of the earth. You've changed the Earth. Oh man. Oh, you change the orbit of the Earth in that case, and it's lighter. Damn, it's lighter. So it's going to get closer to the sun. We're not fixing global global warming by making we have
Host 1 20:19
A fleet of Death Stars with which to escape theory. Yes. But
Host 2 20:23
So anyways, we we produce 1.3 billion tonnes of steel a year, which sounds like a big number except that when you compare it to 1.08 times 10 to the 15 power, it would actually take 800,000 years to mine all this steel. So they have a lot of people mining steel to make these stars especially when they make that start to in like six years droids Well, lots of droids we have to make
Host 1 20:52
The droids to build the Deathstar. The Start Yeah, okay.
Host 2 20:58
Then I looked into, because the big thing about the Deathstar is it can blow up a planet, right? Sure. And so I, I basically Googled how much energy would it require to blow up the Earth? Which is probably awesome. I'm gonna have answers. Exactly. And I went with the answer with actually obliterating because like, there's there's energy required to basically wipe the surface of the earth. Sure, but I want complete militare molecular level you want literation plan
Host 3 21:27
Around level of district? Exactly. Yeah.
Host 2 21:32
And that would require on a one Okay, there it is. 2.24 times 10 to the 32 joules of energy.
Host 3 21:40
Okay, that's it. All of these numbers are well outside of Yes.
Host 1 21:44
These are some mega tons man. Like, yeah.
Host 3 21:47
Host 1 21:48
Bravo's which so this, yeah,
Host 2 21:50
This thing um, in one second. The earth of the Sun generates 3.8 times 10 to the 26. So it would take about six higher surface Yeah, across the time, so it would take 6.8 days of power from the sun to blow up the Earth, which doesn't actually sound like a lot.
Host 3 22:08
Well, actually well okay, so come to think about that. If you roll that over to a maybe jumping ship that's fine if you roll it over to what the star death killer the Death Star Killer base killer star base killer, whatever that thing's called. If that thing is an entire sun, then it has way more than enough energy to destroy the plant it destroys what five planets it when it shoots it kills the whole system. It holds it and so it could do that 10 times over Yeah 15 times over Wow. Interesting
Host 1 22:41
And yet somehow contain it within itself.
Host 2 22:45
There I actually did research on this thing as well. I have no doubt so I guess that's we can go right into Starkiller Base since it's similar to just start please. That's the thing is like when people first started was like that movie people like crapped all over that weapon. Starkiller Base when I complained about it, I did. Yeah. Why is ridiculous. But the thing is, it makes way more sense and that this stuff totally does. Ah,
Host 3 23:13
Okay, we're gonna we're diving into something here that that I think I think it's really important.
Host 1 23:19
The gloves are coming.
Host 3 23:20
That's right. The old Deathstar. They don't explain anything about it. They don't explain where it got its energy. They don't know how they say it has a hyper Mater reactor in it great. I could say it has it has a whole bunch of demolays in
Host 1 23:36
There. This is what we're talking about right now. They don't
Host 3 23:39
They don't explain it. So it has a level of mysticism as to how it destroys. And I don't need to be told every little detail on how it destroys whatever it does want to shoot this big laser beam. But the star base killer whatever it's called it it is very clear how it accomplishes its goal it it consumes a sun where the power and then launches that out now that is just not physically possible. And that is what kills me on there because you cannot compress a sun into a smaller area within your planet you effectively just destroy yourself by doing that. How is this even possible? It seems this is what's going through my mind or as I
Host 2 24:23
Saw this but you have to realize in the Star Wars universe is the first order or the the Galactic Empire they basically have mastery over every single force. Sure, magnetic force, nuclear force.
Host 1 24:38
They can except for
Host 2 24:40
The force except for well, there's Darth Vader there's a few people who have right
Host 1 24:44
But but in terms of like, like institutional widespread control
Host 2 24:48
Well what about the First Orders and the rumors that they're going to have force
Host 1 24:52
Force weapons Well, that's that's, that's coming up right to be discussed to be
Host 2 24:55
Discussed. Anyways, so they have all masters the force, so I think they could have solve the problem of basically, because they're going to suck in the sun. Right? Right. And basically, they're going to be compressing the sun down into a smaller space. That's the planet. And so basically, you'll be creating a black hole. But I'm going to assume that they've the engineers on the force, first order have solved that issue with some trickery. Well, okay, so
Host 3 25:20
Let me let me go into a quick
Host 1 25:22
One, the black hole itself would destroy the whole system.
Host 2 25:25
Correct? Not what? Well, that's if everything got near its event horizon? What if you made it so small at its event horizon was small
Host 1 25:32
The mass of a black hole in the center of a, of a solar system would with fairly quickly pull in all the
Host 3 25:40
Most the the common thought right now is most galaxies have a black hole that that keeps your galaxy together? Right. But different solar systems do not have black holes themselves? Because they just would not exist? No course. Yeah. So here's the thing. A sun keeps equilibrium, or not, a star keeps equilibrium due to the exploding force outward and gravity inward, inward. So that's how a son maintains its basic mass and shape. So constantly near the center of a sun, you're converting elements into heavier elements. Once a sun has converted its internal core elements to lead, lead no longer pushes out at the same rate that gravity pushes in. So a sun collapse
Host 1 26:27
Sort of stops at a thought it's a thought it stops when it's iron. Like not the whole thing doesn't become lead.
Host 3 26:36
No, no, the whole thing doesn't become lead. So what actually you get, you get one of two things, depending on the size of the wide door for the white dwarf, where it explodes outward, or you get the collapse a component of
Host 1 26:49
White dwarf is the stable collapse, right? Supernova full explosion.
Host 3 26:53
Exactly. So in order to compress the sun into or whatever they do into a smaller area, you have to add energy to do that, cuz you have to compress more into it. So are you you would more rapidly be converting well,
Host 2 27:08
Yeah, you can just siphon off from the Sun that you're sucking in that energy
Host 1 27:11
Wave but if you if you can target the sucking of said sun energy, yeah, you might as well just suck up the planet. You're trying to save yourself a step.
Host 2 27:22
Well, the thing is, this Starkiller Base could actually when it fires its weapon the energy that comes out of it actually troubled travels at sub hyperspace, it's what they call it. And so you can actually almost instance instantaneously travel across the universe and hit whatever you want.
Host 3 27:41
But it takes time in the movie it actually traveled very
Host 2 27:45
Extreme time I think that for everyone for everyone on their balconies
Host 1 27:48
To Yeah, I
Host 2 27:49
Think that was JJ Abrams. stuff but if you actually read Bruckheimer
Host 1 27:52
Moment, force wagon sorry
Host 3 27:55
So I the idea I think would have been awesome if they didn't consume the entire star if they grabbed some power off of it and then shot that that would make more sense well
Host 1 28:07
They that makes a
Host 2 28:08
Fire awesome say fire it almost twice
Host 1 28:12
So they burn five times
Host 3 28:14
They will well shot is Dr. Rod bolts or whatever it's it's
Host 1 28:18
A shot. It's a shot gun star killer shot
Host 3 28:23
It's a sawed off yeah, when it shot
Host 1 28:27
A targeted sawed off that's it.
Host 2 28:29
So that son that they were or star that they were stealing energy from gave them two shots.
Host 3 28:35
So they they they they kept some reserve. Damnit free shot number two to two firings
Host 1 28:40
Of multiple shots. Right. And I actually was
Host 2 28:43
Thinking is is sure you have this like thing that can shoot the star energy out but you could completely disrupt the solar system if you just suck the sun away. And then hyperspace back off?
Host 1 28:54
That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Host 2 28:56
Right because then the plan is just scattered yeah the shoot all go
Host 1 28:58
Not to mention the 50,000 other ways you would effectively be able to wipe out a planet before you have to destroy the star that the plan that's well,
Host 2 29:06
I'll put it this way as the Empire was never really good at efficient weapons and stuff. If they're spending
Host 3 29:12
This much money to make a single laser beam he think they could have committed genocide in a completely different way. Yeah, well,
Host 1 29:19
It's sort of a it's sort of like it makes sense in a way that once you have mastered the the gun that like the the phallic, the elongated weapon sure that at some point you you hit a critical mass moment and you're just into the balls
Host 3 29:39
Maybe that's why they built it just has to get bigger.
Host 1 29:46
I'm just gonna keep pointing Yeah, to our death or death or our Christmas. Oh, by the way, do listeners know Have we indicated that this is all being videoed? No.
Host 3 29:58
Would you like to do that? Oh, yeah,
Host 2 30:00
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Host 1 30:07
So check that out. Yeah, check that out. Plug self plug, meta plug. There we go moving on.
Host 2 30:11
Yep. Um I guess that's it for the Starkiller Base slash desk stars. Right?
Host 1 30:18
I have one more thing I want to say is go because this is going to be apropos later you say, the, there's a mysticism to the way the Deathstar works. And, and I challenged that because of the fact that they say they use a hyper Mater drive. They're using technical language that is admittedly meaningless. But still, it's it's technical language, not mystical language. So that's, that, to me. That's an important distinction that, that the Empire and then the first order is using science, technology, brains and brawn. And the Jedi, by contrast, are using this very mystical force until until they go prequels. And we'll get right. We'll get to that later. But because they have a very
Host 3 31:06
Scientific term that destroys it, all right.
Host 1 31:11
All of the spirituality of the forest. Oh, yeah. Anyway, but, but to your point, doesn't that endear you a little bit more to to the fact that they, instead of just going with this completely meaningless terminology Starkiller Base actually has something? I mean, obviously, they picked it because it's something that visually could be represented in a great VFX kind of way. Sure. So in that sense, staying within, within the confines of well, we have a technology and we're juicing it as the same thing that Han says, you know, so it's bigger. Like, that was my favorite line in the movie, like,
Host 3 31:50
Like, just just put breaking
Host 1 31:53
The fourth wall of the desertification of Star Wars and one glorious moment, with all the Han cynicism that we all felt. But still, it just worked. For me it was Starkiller Base work for me that that like in a visual sense. It it stuck with the rules in a great way that the prequels never did.
Host 3 32:16
I see. Okay. One rebuttal to that. Yeah, I have a curse, in the fact that I'm stuck with an engineer's mind. So when I see something, I usually have to analyze how it does the thing that it does, but you
Host 1 32:32
But you use you didn't choose to do so with the hyper Mater drive? Well,
Host 3 32:37
Hang on. Okay, here's, here's, here's the thing that's great about the original 345 and six, you were like 10, when you saw well, but
Host 1 32:46
Here's what's great about it. 10 year old engineers,
Host 3 32:51
My Legos could do the same thing. Because they give you enough information to imagine, I was able to connect the dots. In my own way. The Deathstar works in my way different than probably everyone else's way. But I was able to figure that out myself. Because they gave me the result of it doing something and they gave me some technical BS, that doesn't really mean anything. I get to say, Oh, how does it do that? As opposed to? Here's the exact way it does it? And oh, yeah, that can't actually happen. So
Host 1 33:29
It would have been I understand,
Host 2 33:31
Yeah, so it would have been better if they fired it. And then like, I've been shown the shot of it, suck it up a Sun gave you it gave you it sort of gave you the what it did, and then how it did it later. Which is exactly
Host 1 33:43
What you know, I think I think he's saying is like even when the when the movie is over, he wants to be
Host 3 33:49
And it kind of, it's kind of the same sort of thing where like, in a in a horror movie, if they don't show you the monster, you are allowed to explore that in your own space and make it more and make it more dramatic yourself. Yeah. Whereas, you know, like, we were just talking about Hellraiser. Just the hit us earlier today. They show you everything they get on a silver platter. It's like, here's everything you need to know and you just consume it in that way. But the old Star Wars, like the speeder bike, they just say oh, it's a speeder bike. Right and that's just it you make the make it your own reality in that sense,
Host 2 34:25
But they but they say that that star is powered by a hyper Mater reactor. Why does that matter reactor levy different than sucking the sun but why is that any day
Host 3 34:35
Luke has to go to Haji station to pick up some power converters. Whoo hoo. Like who cares it just adds to the lore now good
Host 2 34:42
Allows me to kind of go back to the star why does it Why is a hyper Matter Reactor any different than sucking up the sun?
Host 1 34:53
I have a will this fourth put for the serious two why? Is because the Hypermetropia Live is a is something that a 10 year old has to grapple with something that a 30 year old has grappled with. And that is, and that is the the one of the beautiful things of childhood is that you like there is in it technically just as much mystery to the way that Starkiller Base work whereas the way the ship works, yet both of them still have the worst defenses in the galaxy, obviously. Yeah, which didn't bother either 10 year old or 30 year old. Exactly. But I I think I think that's that's interesting thing to think about that as technically minded people, even which we were even when we were children, we still had that there. There's still an the ability to be sort of technically innocent, in a sense, and just shut up and just suspend technical disbelief. But we still enjoyed the new film in ways that anyway, I'm not sure where that's going except to say, I understand I understand now your your problems.
Host 3 36:08
The old stars better.
Host 2 36:11
I still think it makes way more sense to turn a planet into a weapon than have to build this enormous
Host 1 36:17
Green thing. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Because Because, I mean, what percentage of the Deathstar was just the the basically support infrastructure the infrastructure to hold the weapon? Yeah,
Host 3 36:30
Yeah. Well, and they build it from scratch, right? You know, they got new waste.
Host 1 36:35
Quadrillions and many many
Host 2 36:38
It's always it was puzzled me too is like you know, it makes sense for small ship like the Millennium Falcon and what are they called on? Whether the Imperial ships called the big ones Star Destroyer? Yeah, star in shorts when they go into hyperspace, right? But think about something like a Death Star which is it's pretty big and it can go into hyperspace start killer base can go into hyperspace drives around Yeah, I think
Host 1 37:06
This more troubling thing right now but then these one has to eat another son Son too in order to try
Host 3 37:13
To just turn around and shoot the sun and just kind of like know
Host 1 37:16
What if it What if it that is a much greater than destroying a planet is getting something of that mass to travel? Any velocity of note through the galaxy? So
Host 2 37:27
I guess um, we'll talk about hyperspace a little bit later, since we're on topic of weapons. But yeah, I guess we'll go to lightsabers now. Right. Jump. Oh,
Host 1 37:40
Sure. Prop get out.
Host 3 37:42
We came prepared.
Host 1 37:44
We're getting on the mic. The force is not strong with this one.
Host 3 37:54
No. Clearly not.
Host 1 37:59
The bobblehead lightsaber.
Host 2 38:03
So this is this is Stephens big topic.
Host 3 38:06
So lightsabers, lightsabers are a mystery in the fact that they are not mass produced. Let's just put it that way. So a lightsaber is an energy device. And they kind of explain them as energy devices that I think the biggest thing in people's minds is you have a energy source that you hold in your hands, and it extends out from your hand to a predetermined length. And they don't really go into it a whole lot in the movies. But if you read some of the books and go through the video games and go in, look at the Extended Universe, lightsabers are effectively invincible. They are the most powerful weapon in the universe. Nothing can stop a lightsaber other than a lightsaber.
Host 2 39:00
There's also a couple materials to um, there's two wood. I don't remember, but I remember reading about him last night. I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn.
Host 3 39:11
Okay, so apparently there's two
Host 1 39:14
Regardless so and there's the new like, double shovel thing from from Force Awakens that
Host 3 39:19
That that they're gonna need to do some explaining. In the next one. I'm hoping I'm reserving my judgment right now. Maybe he just got a lucky shot, or something. I don't I don't know. Especially because the person who was wielding the lightsaber in the in Episode Seven was not trained with the lightsaber. So I don't know. We'll see. Because I've had a long held belief that the lightsaber was the ultimate weapon, there is nothing that can stop a lightsaber other than a lightsaber. So the question is, and I'd rather just kind of open this up for us to kind of just play around with how is it that a lightsaber generates It's a beam of energy, and how is it possible for that beam of energy to have a predetermined length?
Host 2 40:07
Because a laser would just keep going. Right? On for basically ever. That would be really cool though. Can you like turn it on and like, right on the moon?
Host 1 40:19
That way be the most powerful.
Host 2 40:23
I did some reading up on this on, you know, fan theories and stuff like that. What makes the most sense to me is, is plasma, and then containing that in an EM field? Okay, basically had the plasma come out and loop back in. And then she's the whole thing in an EM field that the plasma cannot escape from.
Host 3 40:46
And so that could absolutely make sense. If you have, okay, so if you consider the beam, if you look at a big because of its brightness, it's hard to actually kind of determine the shape of the beam, it looks like the beam has a round round top like like a almost like a domed top.
Host 1 41:07
But there's nothing There's they're more pointed looking in the new
Host 3 41:11
In the newer ones, yes. But if you think of the beam to be hollow, have an actual conical shape, such that energy flows out from the handle, reaches to the end, and then flows back through the center of the cone of energy back into the device, that is actually possible. And we do that nowadays, we can using EM. fields we can contain plasma. So that is one way of explanation. Now, it is important to note that, in the lore, only a Jedi can create a lightsaber. A lightsaber actually is fairly simplistic. It only consists of a power source, and two very specialized crystals that are aligned in a very specific way that guides the energy
Host 1 42:04
And that alignment is accomplished using the Force.
Host 3 42:07
Correct, right. And it's also not a very, first of all, it's not simplistic, and it's not short. You can't just look at it and be like, Yeah, that's the alignment. Apparently, it takes study, you have to meditate on this. And it can take months to align these crystals, you have to be absolutely flawless with the alignment on these crystals. So the whole lore behind it is is interesting and cool. But regardless, the concept might actually be possible.
Host 2 42:35
Besides the force aligning crystals thing,
Host 3 42:38
Well, yeah, if you Yeah, if you if you're talking about just the plasma beam itself, which, which is kind of cool.
Host 2 42:45
And I think it's, you know, controlling the outside of the plasma with em is possible to because just look at like tractor beams. And Star Wars and tractor beams are electromagnetic devices, and that they're able to shoot a beam. The thing about electromagnetics or EM waves is that they propagate out like when you like dropping in a pool water is radiate outwards, right? And they, you know, taper off, inverse square to distance but like they're able to, like pinpoint a location and shoot an EM wave out and latch on to, like the Millennium Falcon. Right? So they have that kind of mastery over EM waves. I can say, you know, they could build a lightsaber that's controlled that way
Host 1 43:32
They could create an electromagnetic boundary to the plasma field. Yeah, great. And maybe the little knob controls
Host 2 43:40
How long ago was the extent
Host 1 43:43
To like, like little dagger like light dagger. To Moon writer. Moon, right.
Host 3 43:51
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy when they have the the little lightsaber knife that cuts toasts. Yes. Yeah. So So I have heard another another thing. So So you know, just like the toy that I have in my hand. It's one of those ones that just you slap it in and it extends. So there's nothing saying that you couldn't actually have a physical object that extends from the handle itself. And it's so cool just contains around it I plasma field. Yeah. Which that's probably actually the easiest way of doing it. Because if you were to it's like
Host 1 44:24
It's like the antenna from 79 Cadillac. Yeah, no, it just yeah, it like literally telescopes like the plastic when you have
Host 3 44:35
If you just apply a high enough voltage to it, you will create an EM field. And if you have charged particles around that you will be able to contain them on whatever surface that is.
Host 1 44:46
I know I've got it. If you can take the light out of the lightsaber, it is actually a Earth Earth child's toy plastic lightsaber with a three stage system telescoping plastic guide for the for the poles or for the plasma wave.
Host 3 45:05
Right. So so the the actually the most complex mechanism is the button that actually extends the antenna. That's the part of the calibrated
Host 1 45:15
Force to fix the button on the right. Yeah. I mean, I've fixed the telescoping mechanisms on my son's lightsaber. Oh, and it almost more than I can count. It really does. Yeah, it takes the patience of a Jedi. Nothing catching it. Yeah, there's nothing here. What is catching the
Host 3 45:37
Second stage get angry? Josh?
Host 1 45:39
I Yeah, sorry. Okay.
Host 2 45:45
Okay, so got lightsabers down. Right.
Host 1 45:46
Well, I have you made me think of one of the things I mean, I think they, I think Joy either George or later, Lawrence Kasdan writing or extending universe. I think there's a missed opportunity with lightsabers, because the fact that it takes the force to make one. I feel like it's his stopping short. I feel like it should take the force to use one that ah, that in the same way, like because I mean, lightsabers, Excalibur. And you. I mean, there's so many other things about their 313 legends surrounding not only Luke, but the entire universe and lightsabers in general, that you don't just find the sword in the stone in, you know, in maces basement and pick it up and start using it. It there's a worthiness and a and a training that comes from the even the the ability to wield the thing. Yeah, and I was kind of just wish, like, you couldn't even turn it on until you are least, or you just had a certain level of proficiency,
Host 2 46:51
You could just, you just put a switch inside that doesn't have any outside. So you have to use the force of switch to switch on
Host 3 46:57
That. So that's a way of making it a force. That's how you would
Host 1 47:05
Work. That's but that's a good way of combining the mysticism of the force with practicality. practicality of a button.
Host 3 47:12
Well, okay, so in in the old Canon, which is not the Disney canon now, that was the case, if you were not a Force user, and you picked up a lightsaber, then the chance of you killing yourself was very, very high. Dude, Luke
Host 1 47:26
Looks like he's in no danger in the Millennium Falcon. Yeah, they made they made it look like Oh, what's this brochure like? It needs needs a little bit more nuance, even in the original trilogy. I think in order to feel like it's that x caliber, like Sure. Yeah, now is the time like, more in that way? It's almost it's more like Luke and the X Wing. X Wing is x caliber. Yeah, he needs that he needs to go through some part of the hero's journey before he can fly. And that was his destiny to be a pilot not to be a Jedi. I a light fencer.
Host 2 48:07
I think it's my new favorite
Host 1 48:10
When they have that in in Jedi camp yet
Host 3 48:20
To Shay Yeah. Wow.
Host 2 48:24
The whole like being careful with lightsabers and stuff always reminds me of a Robot Chicken sketch. Okay. Where there it's it's quite gone. He's when he's cutting in episode one. The blasted door open, right. Oh, Lord, and he's cutting it open. And then he goes here hold this. And they fumble the lightsaber while it's on it just drops through the floor and goes all the way through the ship.
Host 1 48:47
Like the aliens blood. Acid blood. Yeah,
Host 2 48:51
Same thing just goes all the way through here like the drawers going. Yeah, it's freaking awesome. They're
Host 1 48:58
Punctures the whole the whole crew does. Yeah.
Host 3 49:02
That's the way lightsaber should work. Right? Yeah. All right. Actually,
Host 2 49:07
No, I got one more thing on that. So you drop the lightsaber. Right. And he goes through those let's say on the on the Deathstar. You dropped the lightsaber and starts going down because there's artificial gravity. Does artificial gravity stop before it reaches the hole? Like it just can't go anymore?
Host 1 49:26
Would it go through?
Host 2 49:29
I guess it depends on how you design the gravity field and the Deathstar.
Host 3 49:33
The whole would have to be the containment for the artificial gravity. Yeah, so if it exited that then No,
Host 1 49:39
No an artificial gravity. Now that now that you bring it up is a far more interesting and ridiculous concept I think than anything else. Yet, yet. It exists in every sci fi movie ever, ever. It's just it just they just haven't yet. There's no that's the
Host 3 49:58
Thing is we have a baseline it takes Tesla's to hover a frog? Well, we know what it is.
Host 2 50:03
Yeah, well, that's magnetic that we're talking like, actually anti gravity, which, in this universe, or in our mathematical formulas does not exist. You don't have anti gravity.
Host 1 50:16
You basically you're, you're creating a space time field. Yep. That's inverse of whatever is near you. Right, which makes virtually everything we're trying to accomplish. irrelevant, because yeah, you have, you have like, microscopic control of space time. Yeah,
Host 3 50:33
Well do what's way more impressive than any other
Host 1 50:37
Than star star sucker base. Yes.
Host 2 50:39
I can kill eight planets I want.
Host 3 50:42
So actually, you know, the, the solution right now that's been proposed is, you know, you rotate a ship in space, and you can create an outward? Well, inward force, but regarding tricycle. Yeah, right. Right. You know, the issue with with that, is that in most of our ships, we have spaceships. Now, they're so small, that if you were to rotate them around their axes, and you were standing on it, take, you know, Space Odyssey 2001, when he's like, they're already on the running on the edge. The thing is, with the fact that our ships are so small, your feet would actually be rotating at a different speed than your head, just because everything is so compressed into a small circle, that you actually feel forces way differently. And the blood in your body would feel forces differently, just so you have to have an enormous circle like the tourists, like a lot like the tourists, you have to have an enormous circle to make the forces almost equal from your head to your feet. So it doesn't even make sense to throw something up there and spin it.
Host 1 51:48
So that one in 2001 would would have that one
Host 3 51:51
Is probably close to working. It's probably large. Well, it's larger, so it makes more sense, but it's not that big. It's not that big, but like it's
Host 1 52:00
A messed up. Yeah, yeah. A hamster wheel cannot like no no one with the radius of human beings not not going to be comfortable to walk. No,
Host 3 52:11
It would be it would be terrible.
Host 2 52:15
Alright, so we're done with. We're done with lightsabers. Okay. Um, blasters now.
Host 3 52:21
Blasters. Okay. What
Host 2 52:22
Was the big one for you?
Host 3 52:23
Well, but we'll Yeah, we'll rip through blasters. This won't be fun. So the interesting thing about blasters, and I did I did research just like Parker has been doing his research. They call them blasters for a reason in Star Wars because they are not laser weapons. blasters, do not shoot lasers, like you would expect a phaser in Star Trek. So it is it's not just pure photons, it is not light that is actually being shot. That's the interesting point. Okay, so I've got I've got some, some, some lore to go over here. So blasters are not laser weapons. This is why the projectiles do not travel at the speed of light, they actually have a finite speed, you
Host 2 53:01
Can dodge them? Well, yeah.
Host 3 53:04
So a standard blaster has about 400 to 500 shots in it, because it actually does have a magazine. There are two things inside of a Star Wars blaster required for it to produce a projectile. And that is a gas and a power charge. So effectively, the way a blaster works is it uses this power cell of some sort to excite particles in a gas. And then it uses a focusing crystal similar to a lightsaber, but probably not so perfectly focused. And it excites the the the particles in this gas focuses them in the crystal, therefore you get a bolt, and it travels up the the barrel of the gun. So it's actually not a terribly unreasonable thing to think of, we actually already have that same general technology, think of an old CRT television, it's actually about the same thing. Although you're not, you're you're you're moving electrons, not particles, and I guess it's still the same sort of technology. And in fact, the electrons in a CRT television are traveling the speed of light, or very close to that. So we have that same general technology. Here's the cool thing though. And this This was some lore that I I didn't know until I researched it. So there is you can effectively use any gas in a blast or you could you could use just air as long as you you energize it enough. There is a particular gas that they use in Star Wars called Teavana. And here's here's this is cool. This blew my mind to bhana exists on best been in the clouds of best been you guys. You guys know. Yeah, best spin is Cloud City. The that is the planet to which they go where Lando Kevlar isn't. So Cloud City is a harvesting plant for tomorrow. Wanna so that whole place is a weapons manufacturing facility? I didn't I did not know. Lando is
Host 1 55:07
A is a is a warlord. That's right. Okay. That's right. A defense contractors
Host 2 55:13
Host 3 55:15
Host 2 55:16
No, no, because they'll just change deals anytime, baby. Oh, that's right. So President Obama
Host 3 55:22
Is a naturally occurring gas that is actually created by an animal called a Belden. Yeah, as a floating gas animal and it excretes to Bonna. And they grab it, and they process it into weapons grade gas.
Host 2 55:37
So it's Animal Farm.
Host 3 55:39
Will have thought a lot about this
Host 1 55:41
Grant last year is actually short for Ass Blaster.
Host 3 55:44
That's right. Yeah, no, you're shooting animal farts. Yeah, with every pull the trigger. So okay, you know, I think it's good that the expanded universe collapse, don't you? Yeah, exactly. This level of detail, you kinda have to restart. Yeah, like once
Host 1 56:00
You get to animal fart weapons. It's really the only thing you could do to start over.
Host 3 56:05
Right? But but the question was, did did did Lucas know this? Know when when writing all this? Or is it all just like they tied all in this together? They probably thought
Host 1 56:15
This was all this was all spoken about behind nerds such as conversations that were just regretted dating from other conversation. Well, okay, acting as though George brought all of this oracle down from on home, right.
Host 3 56:29
Yeah. And and it kind of makes sense when you go with the animal for producing. Yeah, that would make absolute sense. Okay. So here's, here's the thing though, assuming that a standard blaster like what Han Solo has, can shoot 500 shots per charge, what I wanted to see, and I ran a calculation real quick on how much charge is required in that gun in order to kill 500 Stormtroopers? If you were to land every single shot? Could you kill? Or how much juice would it take in the gun? So let me run through this calculation. It's a little bit involved, but I'll just go at it quick. So a stormtrooper armor. I've just played around. And I said, let's just pretend it's made of Delrin. So dense, thick, hard plastic, because it acts like that in the movies, right? Okay. Delrin has a melting point of 175 degrees Celsius. Okay. So if you want to find how much energy it is, it's required in order to raise the temperature of Delrin, from room temperature to its melting point, using the mass of Delrin, the specific heat of Delrin. And the difference in temperature. You actually, let me let me run through here. Delrin has a specific heat of point three, five, the temperature change is 150 degrees Celsius, assuming that the armor of a stormtrooper is an eighth inch thick. And it has wanted so easily. I mean, look at it. It's not Yeah, it has a density of about point oh, five pounds per inch cubed. And let's just assume that the bolt is a circle of one inch. Okay, let me run through this real quick. The energy required to melt this armor would be 478 calories, the same kind of calories, like when we That's the energy in order to melt a one inch square of eighth inch Delrin. Okay, so if 1000 calories is 4184 joules, we're converting it into more of an electronics guys world by using joules instead of calories, that's 2002 joules in order to melt this. Okay, so, let's just assume that the bowl takes a 10th of a second to actually melt the armor and penetrate that would be 20,026 watts in order to melt a one inch hole in Stormtrooper armor. So it's not hard to backtrack then if you have to shoot 500 shots and do this you actually need a battery in your blaster pistol that is capable of handling 278 Watt hours which surprisingly, is not a whole lot. No. So I know these are all like super engineering terms going back Yeah, and most of these don't make sense to most people but if you look at like just a general double A battery, it's one and a half watt hour. So if you had 185 double A batteries in your blaster you could kill 500 storms
Host 1 59:38
And we've we've already got the fishing
Host 2 59:42
Right good to go. So
Host 3 59:44
If that's the case, you never have to change the charge on on you all you have to do is put a new kitchen
Host 2 59:50
Yeah. So that that 500 number that you know shots you get is that you have to replace the power supply or do you have to replace the the gas it must be the Ask them, they say both, but the gas is the one that runs out quicker. Okay, so they might not, it might be different power, it might not be a fission battery, or they might have some other weird technologies that we don't know about.
Host 3 1:00:11
Yeah. And so if
Host 1 1:00:13
Which isn't that the end of every one of these topics? Exactly. This other thing.
Host 3 1:00:21
Okay, so just three quick examples. In I can't remember I think it's the first movie episode one. Amidala No, you know, I'll go with another one. A New Hope when when they're at the very beginning when they're capturing Princess Leia in the Karelian cruiser. She she pulls out a little blaster pistol that is called a sporting pistol.
Host 1 1:00:44
Boarding blast and they likely
Host 2 1:00:46
Like freeze frame and like enhance the picture of it. They bred on it sporting pistol
Host 3 1:00:53
In the Lauren script, that is a 40 pistol and that is literally what it what it is meant to be. That's like a small hunting pistol, a small just whatever. So that thing has a tiny gas charge and a tiny energy source. Han Solo, his his weapon is a general blaster. It has a larger gas charge, larger energy charge now in Empire Strikes Back when they're getting into the Millennium Falcon at the beginning, and they're leaving Hoff, in that scene, when they're doing it. They're all running to the Millennium Falcon. A few stormtroopers come up and they set this giant gun on a tripod. If you look at that gun, it has a large tube that goes off to a box on the ground. That box does not hold the gas that is the actual battery for running that gun. So that's called an E web and that's pretty much the largest weapon that you can get as a not like a foot soldier can carry infantry infantry. Yeah, it's like the Howitzer of a blaster pistols so interesting.
Host 1 1:01:56
And shoot and CHEWIES crossbow thing? Yeah,
Host 2 1:02:01
That's a kinetic weapon, though. Right?
Host 3 1:02:04
No, that that thing shoots an energy bolt.
Host 2 1:02:06
Host 3 1:02:07
Host 2 1:02:08
Why does it need a bow then a bow part?
Host 1 1:02:11
Oh, I thought it was a blaster to just with the goofier
Host 1 1:02:14
With the strings.
Host 1 1:02:15
Yeah, I think that wasn't even in Force Awakens. They demonstrated that that CHEWIES crossbows I think they did that really powerful. But
Host 3 1:02:24
If I remember right, I don't know if he ever shot that in the originals.
Host 1 1:02:29
Oh, sure. Well, I think that was kind of a joke around.
Host 3 1:02:33
I think that was the joke because Han got it and shot and he's like, this thing is awesome.
Host 1 1:02:36
But he never shot.
Host 3 1:02:39
I don't know. Maybe
Host 2 1:02:41
You think you would go out to a range day and actually shoot that thing?
Host 1 1:02:45
On range range. Stores range day.
Host 3 1:02:53
Okay, so that's blasters. There you go. You now know more than you need to
Host 2 1:02:57
Ever about blasters? Yeah, I think now finally actually wrap up weapons. Wow. And sewers. Next couple topics are actually pretty quickly. Lightspeed travel or hyperspace, okay? Well, yeah, we we know that traveling Lightspeed is pretty hard to do in our universe. That hard in quotes. Basically, you need almost infinite energy to go the speed of light. And as you could, because as you go faster, you get heavier and heavier and heavier, until you just keep needing more energy. Well, they figured out a way in their universe to basically surpass that, right. And, according to the lore is you basically when you approach the speed of light, and you have a hyperdrive is you actually get transported to a different dimension. The hyperspace dimension, and then that's how you and and the math and physics in that dimension actually work differently that allow you to go faster than the speed of light. That's how hyperspace works here, huh? Yeah, so it's basically like wormholes.
Host 1 1:04:06
Because if you're traveling around the galaxy, you're still not going all that far at lightspeed. No, you're not getting to the next star for four years.
Host 2 1:04:15
Yeah, but you have to go you have to go in faster than that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Host 1 1:04:20
But this this brings up a good point. Yet still in Star Wars, Star Trek and virtually all sci fi. There is still travel time. Yeah, yeah. Which, I mean, I'm actually I'm sure one of your listeners is gonna go oh, you idiot. No, these these 50 stories have a big set. But I in terms of general popular mythologies. There's still as though they were boats on the ocean. Like trying to go Yeah, you know, the Bahamas. Like there's some time, you know, yes, you're going very, very much faster than this. speed of light. And your you know, you're bending space time and you're going using other dimensions and all these other things yet you know, you need you need a good solid 3040 minutes. Like yeah, or you know a week like that is very, very human well timeframes like why what's up with that
Host 2 1:05:18
My wormhole totally would work like that. Because you're, you're basically folding times time space and then, you know, in half and punching a hole through It's instantaneous. Yeah, that would well, you know, it's not instantaneous if you swap the travel the gap between them
Host 3 1:05:34
The gap collapses to nothing, right? Not Not
Host 2 1:05:37
All the time.
Host 1 1:05:39
Wait in in. We are talking theory here, right? No, no,
Host 2 1:05:44
I'm talking about Star Wars. No, no, what I a universe that travel is instant like this. It would be Battlestar Galactica when they jump. Right? That's an instant.
Host 1 1:05:56
But but they still I've seen enough a battle start, like, single thing. I know, blasphemy. But it like there's still there's still travel time in that.
Host 2 1:06:07
Well, like, yeah, travel time when they're not in. Whatever. If you have instantaneous
Host 1 1:06:11
Point A to point B, then you don't even like approach the planet. Well, so go to the plan.
Host 2 1:06:18
Well, they explained that in in Star Wars where you can't hype you can't jump into hyperspace near gravitational fields. They do in seven? Yes, because they disabled all the safety protocols on their hyperdrive in the Millennium Falcon. So it's risky. It's very risky. I mean, they almost die doing that, but actually, Battlestar to warp into a planet's atmosphere and then walk back out so
Host 1 1:06:48
So it's a danger to everything around them. Yes, but not to the craft itself.
Host 2 1:06:53
Well, unless the craps hit something
Host 3 1:06:56
But inertia still
Host 1 1:06:57
Playing like a power line on the way out of
Host 3 1:07:01
The kite got sick. I
Host 1 1:07:02
Got sick. Yeah,
Host 2 1:07:04
Flock of geese or something. You gotta be careful.
Host 1 1:07:07
Sputnik. I don't know.
Host 3 1:07:09
I you know, I'm not sure this is one that we can speak to fully No,
Host 2 1:07:13
Not too much on. But I'm just saying this is is in Einstein's theories. Wormholes kind of exist. And if you have a ton of energy, you can make wormholes work
Host 3 1:07:23
Well, and we've already proven that a ton of energy is readily and galactic CDs in Star
Host 2 1:07:31
Wars, they basically, energy is not a problem anymore, right? And so if you basically make energy not a problem anymore, you can make a wormhole and you can travel through it
Host 1 1:07:41
Yet, and yet somehow food, water, everything else that's a problem. Yeah. Even though humanity is still a problem on certain planets energy. No problem, right?
Host 2 1:07:51
Yeah, priorities. Yeah, get your blue milk. Next topic. Yeah. Next topic. Another really quick one. Prosthetics. The only reason I want to bring this up is just the sheer how awesome prosthetics are in the Star Wars universe. But how shitty the robots look? Interesting. Yeah. So like, yeah, like point because Luke gets his arm or hand cut off. And they replaced it with it looks just like his regular hand. Right? And then you got a trash can robot with a face on it. And it's got like, garden hoses and dryer hoses as arms
Host 1 1:08:27
And duck duck legs. Yeah, no, that's true. It's
Host 3 1:08:30
Surprising what a what a larger budget for a movie will will get you you know, difference. Yeah.
Host 1 1:08:36
You know, yeah, it would make sense. I mean, with all you know, with everything being bigger in Star Wars universe, you know, inequity disparity between classes would be enormous, enormous. Yeah.
Host 2 1:08:49
Because you also got like, General Grievous rights like he's got like, the only thing that's original of him is his brain eyeballs, and like organs. I don't know why you would keep the organs vitals. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Or his eyeballs. You know, whatever. But yeah,
Host 1 1:09:07
It looks it look cool. It was maybe the best visual effect of the prequels. Yeah,
Host 2 1:09:11
He is really cool looking. He asked for the worst
Host 1 1:09:14
Voice acting. Who was that was so bad. Yeah, he was pretty bad. It was it was offensive to all races simultaneously. And it was just bad. It was unintelligible it was anyway. Yeah, I digress. Yeah. Next year's star Christmas special. We just dump on the prequels Hold tight, right?
Host 2 1:09:33
Yeah, go party. That is that's that's prosthetics. That was yeah, I just want to talk about Yeah, it was.
Host 1 1:09:41
Um, wait, no, that isn't a prosthetics thing. When Luke's hand gets chopped off with the lightsaber, Oh, am I um, no jumping. Jumping ahead. No. How does? How does the lightsaber get to Mars? And does she Oh, and yeah, that's
Host 2 1:09:58
Actually an RFO I
Host 3 1:10:01
Forget what but quick answer to that. The big gas monsters on best spin, eat it. You know, they fart out the gas. Lando gets it and Linda's like, well, you know, mas have like this so
Host 1 1:10:15
Like, you know, Lando and mas hooked up at some point. Oh,
Host 3 1:10:19
Yeah. That's a galactic booty call, right? Yeah.
Host 1 1:10:25
Host 1 1:10:27
She's in the Jewish she's dead.
Host 2 1:10:30
Okay, so moving on the force. Yes. And this is Josh's topic.
Host 1 1:10:36
Well, I chose the forest because there seemed to be the least amount of math involved. I don't have paper and calculations on the forest. But it is interesting. And we got into this a second ago. The force as a mystical phenomenon, as a spiritual phenomenon is something that's inherently non technical. Yep. In the original trilogy,
Host 2 1:11:03
Even in the prequels to it's still something that's in the prequels, and in, in originals where technology can't touch it.
Host 1 1:11:13
I But I disagree. I disagree because of the introduction of the MIDI chlorians. The idea that the very, very breath of midichlorians, to me fundamentally change what the force was going to be at least in the prequels. And and thereby what it what it is in the sequels and, and the rest of this, in fact, I would go so far as to say, Disney wants to keep the prequels is canon, fine. Just get rid of the midichlorians? Or don't, I'm gonna get to that in a second. Because as thinking about calling for a remake? I think it was a no, no, no, no, I'm just saying that they read that they recontextualize the force and doesn't have any quantifiable, you can't count the number of midichlorians. It's not a blood test, like So was it a fundamental flaw? Well, okay, so this is where my research took me is that the the name and the whole idea of the midichlorians? Basically, it was a simple way to say that Anniken is badass in the forest. Sure. And I get that, but it was sloppy writing, it was everything about it. It pissed off virtually every older fan that saw the movies, including myself. But what's interesting about the midichlorians is that they are living organisms inside the cells of human beings, yet somehow they are also in they buy everything in the universe. The Galaxy. Yeah, just everywhere. There there neutrinos. Yeah. But okay, well, so we have to pick one, let's pick that, that they are actually living organisms inside the cells. So a living organism inside a, a, say your, your chorionic cell is going to be already very small. But it it what's interesting about that idea, when I started thinking about it, is that it it reminded me of a theory that we've we've spoken about, I don't think you and I have Parker, and I gotta remember for radio land, I was pointing and talking to Steven, Steven, I had this conversation I was telling him about a a theory of consciousness that's been put forth recently by a anesthesiologist named Stuart Hameroff. And working in conjunction with a famous quantum physicist named Roger Penrose. And we don't have nearly enough time to get to the theory, but it is fantastic. It is it is my so far favorite theory of consciousness and blow your mind, if you have any time after listening to podcast and aren't going to just go immediately watch all the Star Wars movies, which I know we're probably not making you want to do, but Stuart Hameroff he M er, O FF, and the, the theory is that the structures inside every cell that we're aware of your, your periodic and prokaryotic are, they're known as microtubules. And they're the the scaffolding of the cells there. These basically think of them as like high tension wires that hold the membrane together and hold the different components of the cell in place and, and they're responsible for for in neurons reaching out to form synaptic connections and, and they're incredible. Just in in so much as regular science, science. General Science has held them to be but they don't really see them much as much more than structural. Stuart Hameroff says wrong, they are the key to everything and I can't We'll get into that right now. But
Host 1 1:15:02
They, the theory basically states that based on with the protein that makes up these structures, that there is a, there's a quantum vacuum inside these proteins that allow for non local behavior in microtubules. And it their theory goes on to say that, that it's basically the sort of non local quantum communication between microtubules in neurons, that is the the signature of consciousness. So how does that connect to Star Wars? In a very interesting way? I think George in his sloppy like, throw it against the wall idea of midichlorians Yeah, if Hameroff and Penrose continued to be proven right on small areas of their theory, which they they have even this year, some some big news on that front. George Lucas may have actually predicted what is the meeting point of a, a fundamental force, a mystical, characteristic to consciousness, and molecular biology and the ultimate tech, which is, to me cellular biology. So in in that sense, the force could end up basically being the blueprint for that. And, and it makes it makes the universe, the Star Wars universe, interesting, in in a whole new way, in that they don't call it consciousness, but, you know, in theories of consciousness, that sound sort of new agey, and and you know, hippie dippie, there is this, this, this fundamental and constant state of consciousness that's unbound. In a sense, they call it proto consciousness, until you get until you have a system, a technical system that binds it. So my first question is, how do you imagine that working? Like, obviously, we're, we have to transition from cellular, you know, technology to hard tech. But can you think of anything comparable, maybe computer systems and computer networking to some degree, where you have a sort of a sharing of information? Like, is the force expressed in our world in in ways that we're that we're already used to?
Host 2 1:17:39
Like, I guess, maybe the internet? Well, the internet, but like, it sounds more like, like BitTorrent, maybe. I love it.
Host 3 1:17:52
I love that's amazing. That's amazing. And Pirate Bay is like the the information hub. We go from microtubules to the Pirate Bay, Parker.
Host 2 1:18:04
Burglars, it's, it's it's kind of like, you know, it's it's a, we talked a little bit about this before. I think we were talking about quantum mechanics a couple of weeks back. And we're really bad at talking about that, because we had no idea what we're talking about. Correct.
Host 1 1:18:20
And in any conversation where you say the words quantum mechanics, you need to say, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Host 2 1:18:27
Exactly. It's, it's where you know, it. I think, maybe that's where like deja vu and that kind of stuff stems from Okay.
Host 3 1:18:38
Well, okay, so So that brings up an interesting point, because, okay, so it is explained in Star Wars, quite often that the force exists within everything. And it's within all of us, but it seems like the Jedi is have a way of tapping into it. And the way they describe that or quantify it, is through a elevated count of this thing called metta chlorians. So what what is interesting is using what you just described, is it not possible then that the Jedi is just have a way of tapping into an inherently controlling the way these microtubules interact with themselves and also interact with their environment. But they also just
Host 1 1:19:25
Have a great force users just someone who genetically has more of them.
Host 2 1:19:29
Yeah, it does. Its thing is because the force can even act on non organic things. Like raise like X Wing out of the swamp, right. When When Darth Vader throws all the stuff at Luke, when they're fighting Cloud City, all that stuff, that's it's, you know, is the middIe Korean goop, I guess. I guess if it's everywhere, like yeast, you know, it's just bacteria that's everywhere. And it's on that how Could like let's say steel be affected by this force? Since
Host 1 1:20:03
The midichlorians? Or maybe a, what would be a technical term for a? Maybe they are pathogen or Well, no, no, no, no. Like, like, like electronics metaphor would be like a, a transducer. Yeah, a transducer
Host 2 1:20:24
Of force, okay, so So having more of these they're able to control the or these are the middle coins can actually exert a force. And if you have more of them they can channel for you can channel the force, right? That that whatever the mini Korean force is,
Host 3 1:20:39
Well, but here's the thing, that the concept you were talking about earlier is that consciousness itself doesn't necessarily lie within gray matter in your skull. It has something to do with these microtubules. And the the the tying together of the meta chlorians. And consciousness, in this sense, could mean that consciousness and force are one in the same, in in that AI in that kind of paradigm.
Host 1 1:21:09
And if you can control consciousness at a fundamental level, and everything's made of sort of, of unbound or on disorganized consciousness, right, then then you are able to control then you got telekinesis and all these, well, maybe,
Host 3 1:21:30
Maybe maybe it's all about the fact that you are able to bring things from an unorganized state into an organized state.
Host 2 1:21:38
I'm gonna throw a big monkey wrench right here.
Host 1 1:21:40
That's cool. Go for Yeah,
Host 2 1:21:41
So we got these tubes on the brain, right? What if because it's your uncoupling. Basically, consciousness from gray matter? All right. All right. What if this goes into like another crazy theory, which is the gray matter is a transducer of that? Well, yeah, well, this goes into a crazy theory of the, you know, everything's a simulation. Right? Okay. So if you have more control on the tubes of your brain, you can actually affect the computer programming that's running the simulation. Thus, you can lift the X Wing out of the swamp,
Host 1 1:22:15
Yes, you can control now. No, later, yeah.
Host 2 1:22:22
That's not far of a stretch going from that.
Host 1 1:22:25
That's very interesting. I love that. That's great, huh?
Host 3 1:22:30
So you have wait, now here's, here's where it all here's where it all ties together. So so the idea that I can affect something that I'm not physically attached to, can tie together with quantum entanglement, if your consciousness can somehow tie quantum entanglement such as the whatever is underneath the X Wing, if I want to raise them, I can entangle whatever underneath the X Wing and then I have control underneath whatever that is, or the
Host 1 1:23:03
Or, or the X Wing itself. Right? If you can do what if you do the water, the dig open water on the bottom of the X Wing, you might as well do the X Wing itself. I mean it if it's if it's flowing through everything, you know, it's it's Yeah,
Host 3 1:23:21
Well then. So then what? If that's the case, then everyone exhibits the possibility for having these powers? What is it that makes jet eyes or or force users or even in the in there's actually a third group that is in the law called force adept. Force adept is someone who was born with these powers, but has no idea on like the the spirituality of a Sith or a Jedi, they just have, they exhibit the capability of using these things, but it's never trained. It's never it's never trained. They're more like mystics in a way right? So what is the difference between those people and people who can't tap that power?
Host 1 1:24:05
Host 3 1:24:07
Yeah, we've come full circle. Well,
Host 2 1:24:10
And I haven't know they haven't complained enough and you know, was it taking the red pill for Morpheus and yeah so Jedi or is Neo Neo
Host 1 1:24:21
I know I oh my gosh. Yeah, and needed to sleep more before this episode. This is usually when I'm asleep during Oh, this is Josh Gordon podcast. Well, so So a quick aside into my second point, if you'll permit me for the fourth time, a quick aside of comedic I literally just started this is no preparation this at all. middie and chlorians. We should break it down semantically. We have mity, which I'm very familiar with. And chlorians Which I suppose there's some sort of form of, there's some chlorine isotope wars, it's the combination of music and chlorine is what I'm trying to say. That gives that gives someone force, there's 128
Host 3 1:25:15
Channels available of chlorine controlling digital communication. Yeah,
Host 1 1:25:22
You have you have, you have force velocity sensitivities, right. And you have to, you have to learn to control those velocities.
Host 3 1:25:32
And here's what it is. And akin had the ability to turn on Omni, so he could control all of them.
Host 1 1:25:39
All 16 channels, all
Host 3 1:25:41
Of them at once. That's great. Yeah, no, so he's like a really fine tuned Casio keyboard.
Host 1 1:25:46
If you look, if you actually look in the back of the laboratory, there's just a whole bunch of DIY modular synthesizers. Back next to the sea. Threepio parts on the table, right. Okay, well,
Host 2 1:25:59
I actually like Darth Vader's like thing. Yeah,
Host 1 1:26:06
Well, it is now. For me forever.
Host 3 1:26:12
He does a you know, on his off time, he does like stand up comedy, and he has his own soundboard on his chest.
Host 2 1:26:19
Yeah, he beat up his
Host 3 1:26:21
Row. And all the stormtroopers laugh because they know they have to
Host 1 1:26:24
See, that's all. I see. I knew that he's not breathing. That's just noise. It says noise gate.
Host 3 1:26:34
We went from cerebral to stupid in no time. And who does that better than the engineering
Host 1 1:26:40
Them? Yes. Yeah. Well, okay. So my only second point is not really super technical. So I'll try to keep it quick. But it can be technical. In a certain sense. The force, I think, is the main character of Star Wars. I haven't heard anybody talk about this. This is a theory that I mean, I feel like I could speak for a long time on this, because it really makes everything that bothers me about what is now this huge runaway train of a story where so many people have had their mitts on it, it really is the thing that could guide the eternity of Star Wars that we have ahead of us, there would be a Star Wars film every year. If the main character is the forest, which I contend that is in the greatest degree that that is the truth and Empire Strikes Back, which is the best period. It's second most true in New Hope. But Luke is the protagonist. But there is George Lucas says Star Wars is about the Luke Skywalker family. That's what that's what these movies are about. That's why Rogen is not going to be a Star Wars film, because now that Skywalker family, and the Skywalker family is starting to shape up to be the balance of the force. They they are the ones who unbalanced it. They're the ones who bounced that the family is the container for the the single protagonist. It's not Luke and Anakin and Ray and whoever she is this child of it's not all these different protagonists, one protagonist, and expressed in different ways in the same way they say that, that the main character in a turn to film is violence. And you don't watch a character develop in a turn to film the way that you do in a regular movie. You watch the violence develop, you watch it, the violence has a character arc. The force has a character arc in the best Star Wars films. And this is I think, fundamentally why the prequels suck with capital. Because the force gets play second fiddle to terrible actors playing poorly written protagonists, which CG set amongst Senate proceedings, like, like, the reason that I enjoy the Force Awakens, even though it is it's, you know, it's Orlando schlock? Yes, compared to other sci fi films. But the reason I think it's great is because it's back to being all about the force, the protagonist, in human terms is split between Ray and Finn, Poe to some degree on but the way the force is kind of dormant and dead. At the beginning, nobody knows about No, it talks about it, and then it just kind of opens up like a flower again, that's what excites me if they're going to get anything right in the rest of this trilogy. And the rest of time Star Wars, it's that the force is the center of Star Wars, not not just as like the MacGuffin, that moves the story along should it is the story. Yeah.
Host 3 1:29:51
So okay, so that brings up an interesting thing for five and six. Absolutely agree with you on that topic. One, two, and three makes the four feel tired? Because it's just, it's just another weapon or power or useful tool they can use. So the thing is no,
Host 2 1:30:10
No, that makes sense. Because in one, two and three, there are tons of Jedi. Well, maybe not like 1000s. But there's a couple of general right? Yeah. And the Jedi Council exists, and they've existed for millennia, etc, etc, right? And then 456 there for right? Or five in the beginning, then there's four, then there's so whatever's happened
Host 1 1:30:33
With them is of utmost importance. Exactly right. So it
Host 2 1:30:38
Makes sense, then we're, where in the prequels, the force doesn't really matter. Because, you know, everyone knows what a Jedi is and what I can do and all that stuff. So right doesn't really matter too much. Whereas in 456, like even they say, like, you know, your was it your ancient religion has no power here or something like that.
Host 1 1:31:01
Or hers was Yeah.
Host 3 1:31:04
So yes, the force propagate itself in other way. In other words, if, let's say, Luke, were to die after six, would the force bring itself back? Well, they're
Host 1 1:31:15
Held that's a whole other agenda had to be laying in theory, that's the that's the self. Let me get it correct. The the self processing self fulfilling No, no, it's s, it's like this the self processing language? Yeah. It's, it's, it's a self assembling self processing language. So So if if it's a fundamental thing, it will bring itself back about this is this is the, the Immaculate Conception of Anniken and all these kinds of rights, it's that it's that this thing is not a thing. It's a being a single being, right. That's too huge for a body it. You know, anyway, yeah, that but that's, that's very interesting to think that you, you're not going to have I don't think we're going to have raised daughter, I mean, you know, or son or whatever, like Luke, to this point, we don't know that he had any children, like the Skywalker family probably will end at some point, because heroes don't have children. But you, you definitely get a sense that it only only horse will divorce, we'll be back.
Host 2 1:32:30
I have a slightly different twist on the force. Okay. And this actually ties into the Force Awakens movie. So in The Force Awakens movie, the first order, this goes back to the lightsabers bit where they have a weapon that can block a lightsaber. Right? And actually, Josh and I were talking a couple weeks ago about how the First Order might have developed force weapons. So they have the ability to actually use the force in a technology way
Host 1 1:32:58
Now and this is suggested by the color of the weapons on the impure on the star destroyers in Force Awakens, right? Yes. Which are purple, purple, blue.
Host 2 1:33:07
Yeah, like that.
Host 3 1:33:09
You got blue, green, red and purple.
Host 1 1:33:11
Yeah, right. But so
Host 2 1:33:13
Purples was was
Host 1 1:33:16
Purple is purple and red or Sith? Yeah.
Host 2 1:33:19
Or no purple is Samuel Jackson's oldest mace. Yeah.
Host 3 1:33:25
No, it's not makes it Sammy.
Host 1 1:33:28
Samuels is purple.
Host 2 1:33:32
That's the one that color he wanted. So that's that's it. Favorite color? Yeah, of course.
Host 1 1:33:43
And you know, they brought him a swatch swatch sample, which purple said are we talking like you know, mid 70s Porn purple or crushed velvet. We're talking Prince purple. Yeah, a more of a miss.
Host 2 1:33:58
And this goes back to the star killer base to where star soccer base? Yes star soccer base. So the star soccer base. It's it uses it sucks in the sun. Right? But it actually uses that as an alternative power source actually collects dark energy. Okay, and so you could say that if the First Order has developed these weapons that can absorb dark energy. You could probably maybe you know, by a stretch tie in the fact that force weapons are using dark energy, which before
Host 1 1:34:33
Dark energy from our universe, or they don't refer to dark energy that they
Host 2 1:34:37
Know. Well, kinda, it's if you read the novel about the The Force Awakens, okay? They actually explained the power source of circular base, and it's mostly dark matter and dark energy absorbs and it actually just uses the sun as a drive to get that stuff. Hmm. And so it's absorbing all So if you if you go into the fact that before this, they no one could use dark energy, but they knew about it. So maybe the force is actually manipulating dark energy and dark matter. So the midichlorians allow you to do that
Host 3 1:35:17
All day they bridge the gap. Ah, that's,
Host 1 1:35:21
That's my theory. Wow, in theory,
Host 2 1:35:24
So we have a lot of minute quarrels you can actually, because dark matter is or dark energy is like, it's some absurd number percentage of our universe. Yes. And so, percent Yeah, something like that. So if you have the ability to control that you can lift an X Wing out of the water, you can choke someone to death, etc. Um, so, okay,
Host 3 1:35:46
I will I like yours
Host 2 1:35:47
Better because it's more philosophical.
Host 1 1:35:49
But this is, this is not the macro philosophy, podcast. So So okay, I think you're gonna I think you're gonna find that many more of your listeners are. And, and I think I like your version better now, too, because it gives us something to put our teeth into instead of being this this abstract. Well, yeah, well, I
Host 2 1:36:11
Still don't know how we have no idea how that would work. Because we haven't even you know, figured out what dark matter and dark energy actually is. Right? So So wait,
Host 3 1:36:20
Here's the thing. The star soccer base, I will resend my hatred on it. If that is the methodology, in other words, if dark energy is how it shoots, its beans, how it gathers its energy when it pulls in the sun if it's extracting dark energy and exhausting all the actual matter. And if it does that, then that could make sense. And that would be an acceptable thing. I don't know.
Host 2 1:36:52
I searched that. I was like, no, no, I was like, okay. Why? Because it's collecting dark energy. And it's collecting the sun I was like, okay, are stars made? Do they have a percentage of dark matter and I couldn't not get an answer
Host 3 1:37:07
Out there. I don't think anyone has that answer.
Host 1 1:37:09
No. Well I think I think in so much as it is matter it is not dark matter or dark energy. But but but dark matter and energy is what holds gout like galaxy clusters together it's the scaffolding aligns them together. Yes. There it is. There the bushes off the horse. Yeah, there is dark matter and
Host 3 1:37:32
Dark energy done.
Host 1 1:37:36
Host 2 1:37:36
Now we're on to everyone's favorite one the RFO section. Alright, guys, we are having an RFO section for Star Wars. Okay, what is your favorite Star Wars character? Robot inorganics the trashcan
Host 3 1:37:48
Robot in the in crowd crawler just because it is so ridiculous. Done.
Host 1 1:37:57
I'm gonna say in a for my favorite droid is got to be the the Droid with which something is wrong in the beginning. We hate it has no name. He's a nameless droid. The original are two unit that falls over our 5050
Host 3 1:38:13
Yeah, where he shoots that thing at the top of his head and smoke comes in. No, no.
Host 1 1:38:18
He's in the line outside of the sandcrawler. Yeah, yeah.
Host 3 1:38:24
It's the red or two unit. You're
Host 2 1:38:27
Episode four with the red asteroid that's got it's actually like a trapezoidal shaped head. Yes. Yeah. And his motivator blows out? Yes. Yes. Oh, dogs. motivator. motivator blew out when he just become lazy.
Host 1 1:38:43
You wouldn't want to lazy droid. No, you have to. You have to have lots of motivation on your Droid. Yeah. No, no, I was always sad. It was like, if he had just worked for another 10 minutes, he would have been the star of the show.
Host 3 1:38:59
Yes, someone should remake Star Wars.
Host 2 1:39:04
And they just poured out RGD too. And like Luke never leaves tattooing.
Host 1 1:39:09
I mean, I mean until next season, you know like like like our two d two and C three po basically spend all six films in various states of disrepair like they're not that reliable. You know? Yeah, like
Host 3 1:39:22
But getting hit in the head with a with a giant blast cannon. Like our two does like eight times. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's,
Host 1 1:39:29
He's right. He is resilient. But I mean, man, he had been he could have been
Host 2 1:39:34
Oil. Yeah. You know, this is this is got off subject about this. But the fact that when they go to the Deathstar, right yeah, and our 2d to just plugs into Desktop and just pulls information willy nilly, like, there's no cybersecurity.
Host 1 1:39:52
There is no security or
Host 2 1:39:56
Wireless anything. Yeah, he's the right plug in the fact that also it's not just one Regular connector it like goes in and super proprietary.
Host 1 1:40:02
Host 3 1:40:04
And it's at the right height to like the perfect height for an RT unit. Yeah. Our five is just a tad bit taller. He wouldn't have been able to do it.
Host 1 1:40:14
If you look very closely you get to pause it you can see it says hack port. They make it easy. It's USB D I believe. Sorry.
Host 2 1:40:25
No USB SW. Oh, yes.
Host 3 1:40:28
Yeah. I think I missed the joke, but that's all right.
Host 2 1:40:31
Oh, no, I got it. Ah, um, my favorite robot is the little robot that screws around and the Deathstar for
Host 3 1:40:44
A little RC RC
Host 1 1:40:46
Host 2 1:40:48
And then like, it sees Darth Vader walking down the hall and turns around goes
Host 1 1:40:53
That's my favorite. Well, and and maybe
Host 2 1:40:55
He doesn't last screen time. He probably performs cleaning functions. So he's like a, you know, he's a space Roomba. We those exists nowadays.
Host 1 1:41:06
Well, anyway, he's fast. Yep. You know, he seemed he seems like he's polite. He doesn't Yeah, he gets out of the way, your way. And he has some of the best vembur Droid vocalization Foley like that. I mean, the sound he makes is totally memorable. Yes. Awesome.
Host 3 1:41:22
So I got a quick one real quick. Yeah, the worst robot in all of Star Wars IG 88 And the reason why IgD is the worst because the Nintendo 64 Star Wars Shadows of the Empire he's a hard boss to be so hard that he wins the
Host 2 1:41:40
I thought he would get I wish he had screentime more than the he has 111 Shot Yeah well that's when the all the bounty hunters are lined up on the on the
Host 1 1:41:50
Star Wars droid in Star Wars is every droid in The Phantom Menace Yeah, they are useless they battle droids
Host 3 1:41:59
Host 2 1:42:00
Oh my god. Sound like the battle droids
Host 3 1:42:03
So of course, but they're just okay if I was
Host 2 1:42:10
If I was gonna have to design and program and murderous robots and make it crack jokes.
Host 3 1:42:17
Okay like dad
Host 1 1:42:17
Joke but structurally tell me why I mean defend defend more than the comedic aspects. What What Why do you like
Host 2 1:42:29
The fact that you don't have to send humans in with your army to go murder the peasants.
Host 1 1:42:34
But what I'm saying is like, why,
Host 3 1:42:36
Why why though?
Host 1 1:42:37
Host 2 1:42:38
It can be any robot I guess. Okay.
Host 3 1:42:41
Okay, he thinks they're funny.
Host 2 1:42:42
I think they're funny. The output this way is they put a lot of thought in like transporting them and like molded designs for that. Like it's perfect like the gland and they're like a bazillion of these things pop out of this the trans V or fold down in the design
Host 1 1:42:58
Was a great moment. Yes, the design of their transport fan. Someone uploaded
Host 3 1:43:02
The wrong firmware. And there they just got this stupid version. Alright, what's uh, what's next?
Host 2 1:43:10
Oh no organic human organic character in Star Wars.
Host 3 1:43:17
I'm going to pass for now because I got to think about this
Host 1 1:43:20
Pass as well. Oh,
Host 2 1:43:24
There we go. Oh, my so many. The giant monster in the bottom pit of Java's Palace,
Host 3 1:43:36
The ran core ran core.
Host 2 1:43:38
Maybe because there's a a a brew pub here up in Houston that's got a burger named after him. It's delicious. It's got a Friday go on top. Nice.
Host 3 1:43:50
I know I might I might have to go with the same Java's palace area. That little like rat animal that sits on Java's tail. Yeah, that guy you know someone shocks him. Ah, I think I think Leah does or no no Artoo does our two pulls out his USB D and it shocks the little guy
Host 1 1:44:16
I'm going with Han Solo. Oh, come on. I mean, like, favorite organic character what I like like I mean these are all great if you said like creature something Yeah, I'd go there but I mean, like, is there any greater being in the Star Wars universe and Han Solo?
Host 2 1:44:36
No. Because also because he also can kill Nazis, right?
Host 3 1:44:42
That's true. There's a lot of backstory behind
Host 1 1:44:47
My mom too is that he is he is the most human character in the whole thing is he is equal parts dark and light like they everybody's so binary in in Star Wars universe. So at least at any given point in time Han is Darkside lightside within five minutes, two or three sentences. He's
Host 3 1:45:06
Host 1 1:45:07
Well he but no, no, he is extreme polar like he, his his motivations are so complex and he's so like he's just the best. Best. Any did any spoiler alert? Yeah, only a year if you haven't seen the force awakens in December of 2016 You don't care about Star Wars. Yeah. Alright spoilers are over
Host 2 1:45:33
Moving on favorite sound effects. Oh, good. Mine is gonna be the tractor beam. Hmm. And it's a
Host 3 1:45:40
Boom Yeah. Oh, what supercomplex the tractor that would that that sound happens when they're about to shoot the the desktop that's a slightly
Host 2 1:45:51
Different sound. Yeah. Now when the lowering down the
Host 3 1:45:56
Jostling Okay, so when Obi Wan has to do all that manual adjustment to that like Rubik's cube and the yes, yeah, right. Okay. Okay. I think you're talking about when the one the Stormtrooper that has the big black helmet and he has to turn that one handle down to shoot the entire guy. He's
Host 2 1:46:13
Got like the speeder looking like the Tron. Yeah, it's got like three feet behind it and and they're on that platform with no railing.
Host 3 1:46:22
Right right. So okay, I'm gonna go with with a really just just cop out answer but are two D two, because the guy is so emotive with just synthesizer beats and boobs, you know exactly what's going on. And I think that just his whole gamut of sound effects are perfect
Host 1 1:46:43
Or great. And the way that you know, he's he did Wally as well. He combined that synthesis technology with his own voice and gave even more emotionality to it. I mean, our two d two is maybe, I mean, the most emotional character except for BB eight. BB eight is kind of takes the bar up another notch. I mean, BB eight I thought had a greater emotional depth. A more emotional resonance, like in a kind of like in a childlike way with me quicker than our two did.
Host 3 1:47:19
Well, they had the visual aspect to it
Host 2 1:47:22
Right to do CG stuff with him like when he sticks out in the has the lighter Yeah.
Host 1 1:47:26
Oh, and the way in the mall? Yeah, the head movements. Yeah, head movements are key to but the way the way they've been Bert tied. The sound the sound design and I guess Bill Hader is actually provided some voice work for BB eight. Sure, I think that's right. Yeah, there's there. And actually, no, yeah, cuz last time I saw it, I just heard that I watched it. I was like, that's totally something totally Bill hater in there. But anyway, yeah, I think I think that that's among the greatest accomplishment accomplishments of Star Wars are are the droid. The emotionality droids? Yeah, I'm, I'm going to go with the idol sabre.
Host 2 1:48:14
Though just the hum.
Host 1 1:48:15
Not not there's there's like just completely static calm and there's the one that just like yes, it's like a really slow wavelength.
Host 2 1:48:25
What that is that's the PID loop or the EM fuel. Oh,
Host 3 1:48:28
There we go. See? Gone? Yeah, Josh is like, I don't get that. But yeah, yeah. No, well,
Host 1 1:48:33
I, I get the idea of the the or you talk about the force.
Host 2 1:48:39
The beam goes out and it's an if it's em, n EM field. The M
Host 1 1:48:43
Field is holding.
Host 2 1:48:44
Yeah. It's pulsating. The would you say the
Host 1 1:48:47
Host 2 1:48:48
So it's so you, you you're usually in control theory, use a PID loop to do a control like that? Sure. So it's measuring the field and adjusting the field based off what you're doing with the lightsaber. And so usually you have a slight slight offset,
Host 1 1:49:07
To get one. Okay. So you have like, you have like a, it can't be just perfectly static. Correct. Okay. Interesting. Well, that well, that that that was the sense is that like, this thing is not safe, even if you're not. Yeah, it's like it has some life to it. Yeah, it's got it's got a an element of unpredictability. Yeah, that's cool.
Host 2 1:49:29
Good one. Yep. Okay, next on the list. The prequels do they exist? And if they do exist for you to order do you normally watch the movies then? It's the
Host 1 1:49:41
Oldest philosophical question universe does evil exist? If the answer is yes, they exist and we must cope with them.
Host 2 1:49:49
Yeah, I think they exist, and I do watch them. 123456.
Host 1 1:49:54
Are you saying that that would be an arguable point to watch 456 First, that's what
Host 2 1:49:59
A lot people say. Watch four and five. Because at the end of five is when Vader has been unmasked as being Luke's father. Correct? And then you go, then it's like cutscene. Watch 123 To learn how, you know, Vader became or Anniken became Vader and then you go watch six. That's actually what a lot of
Host 1 1:50:23
People suggest. That's dumb.
Host 3 1:50:25
Yeah. Here's the thing, if you take 100,000 mile view at the at the the one, two, and three, and you just say, there's a kid, who is a Force user, they take him, a bunch of politics happens. He turns bad. It's an OK story. Like that, right? There is fine. And that is what 123 exists for me as it gave me context. That's it.
Host 1 1:50:52
And most most of that context is given to you and 10 lines of dialogue in episode four. Yeah. Most of what you needed was already in the switches
Host 3 1:51:02
For existed for 26 years.
Host 1 1:51:07
But without 123 we don't have know exactly. I I think that the prequels are what I have to grapple with. This is like part of aging for nerd you have to realize 80 something percent of people born after 1990 think the prequels are better films. Ooh, this is I mean, it's that's not the exact thing but I know it's painful it's painful and it and what it means is when all all that it means it does it doesn't speak at all to the objective. Like quality of either set. All it speaks to is we're getting old. Yeah, that's true. And we and but anyway, yeah,
Host 2 1:51:47
Okay. Well, why do some John eyes when they died disappear? And some sort of you know, lay that's a good question. Yeah. I had no idea
Host 3 1:51:56
Samuel Jackson would be an annoying Oh
Host 2 1:52:03
Wow. Yeah. Why do some turn that ghosts?
Host 1 1:52:06
I mean, you've made maybe you reach a threshold of force use where you can come back? Maybe? Well, I mean, I mean, maybe it's maybe it's what Palpatine talks about? Darth Plagueis you know, bringing loved ones back? Maybe the Jedi are these evil,
Host 2 1:52:23
But the necromancers Yeah, necromancer like to turn people to ghosts
Host 3 1:52:27
Hang on. The only Jedi is that we actually see as ghosts are those who in some way mentor Luke in some way shape or form of Luke
Host 2 1:52:36
Just going crazy. So well. No.
Host 3 1:52:38
Yeah, that's great. So it's going to those read it. Well, it's setting and do they appear to those who need it?
Host 1 1:52:50
Interesting. So it's it's a delusion. It's not a delusion, but it's it's a it's a seance kind of channel connection? Out of some form of requirement. Yeah, Anna can and Yoda are not seen by everyone at the Ewok dance at the end of Jedi. That'd be creepy. Terrible
Host 3 1:53:18
Going back and replacing Vader with Hayden Christiansen terrible move. Yeah, absolutely a horrible mood.
Host 1 1:53:26
Hayden Christiansen terrible mood. Sorry. That's enough. That's enough negativity on an old man.
Host 2 1:53:34
Okay, moving on. Um, alright, right. So we're gonna go right to the new movie, right? Yeah, Rogue One. Yeah. So What are y'all excited about? What are you all looking forward to? Explanations tech wise, maybe eccentric cetera. So start?
Host 3 1:53:51
Well, okay, I'm gonna I want to start off real quick by saying I have not seen a single ounce of promotional material. So you know what's about the Okay, the only reason why I know what it's about is through somebody just told me. So I don't even know if that is true.
Host 1 1:54:07
Is that a trailer? Spoiler? Yeah,
Host 3 1:54:09
I've heard it. So all I've been told is that this is the story of how they got the Death Star plans. Right before Episode Four.
Host 2 1:54:17
Yeah. And that's great. And a qualifier? We I think the most we've only seen the trailer some of us and so we have not seen the movie yet.
Host 1 1:54:25
So well. Yes. Yes. We should give context that we are we are filming and recording this on Wednesday. Yep. December the
Host 3 1:54:34
What? The 14th 14th
Host 1 1:54:38
The 14th The movie tickets for Friday the 16th. That's correct. I guess it kind of typically comes out tomorrow. Okay, so we this is
Host 2 1:54:49
Anything we guess is not spoilers even if
Host 1 1:54:52
We get it right. Correct. No, spoiler alert. Yep.
Host 2 1:54:55
So my question is they have all this technology. Why couldn't they email or transmit the plan somewhere else,
Host 1 1:55:02
Dude, thank you. I've actually I've actually said this from the beginning no backhaul all the Star Wars problems are solved we know if it's Laya consent via her Hotmail account to over one a message stores over done so Wait,
Host 3 1:55:23
Wait wait, we went from talking about Lucas potentially having the key to consciousness but he couldn't predict email
Host 1 1:55:32
Host 2 1:55:35
Because they show in Episode Four Do they ever show another show the hologram Princess Leia from our 2d to for the ever show wireless like hologram I know later they do because the you know the hologram in the the emperor in front of Darth
Host 3 1:55:54
Vader. No, every time they do a hologram there is a projection. I know
Host 2 1:55:58
That but the transmission of that
Host 1 1:56:00
Data. It's always well Okay, so in order to is wireless Well, yeah, no,
Host 2 1:56:04
No, but he but Princess Leia puts a recording of her into our God too. And so that when our duty due on tattooing, spits it out, it's local.
Host 3 1:56:12
Yeah. Well, in episode one, they do it on episode one, but
Host 2 1:56:15
In Episode Four at the time when these movies Okay, and Episode Four was that ever? Was there ever transmit cuz I know in episode five or six? Vader has I think it's like Vader has like a conversation with the Emperor and the Emperor somewhere else. Yeah, it has been transmitted.
Host 1 1:56:35
You're talking about via the little walking? Yes, director. Yeah, yeah. Hologram creb hologram
Host 2 1:56:40
That wasn't like no, that was episode
Host 1 1:56:43
Host 3 1:56:45
So I still think that they're going on radio technology. In that sense. Well, okay, so remember when there that all the, the X wings are attacking the first Deathstar. They're all projecting back to yovan for and you hear all of like, Red Squadron or not, and the audio is just garbage? Yeah, absolute garbage. It's got to be radio. Well, if they were
Host 2 1:57:09
Transmitting over those distances, that makes sense, but over like, the entire half halfway across the galaxy, you can't do that. Well,
Host 1 1:57:17
Well, if they're transporting themselves faster than speed of light, so they're taking their radio waves.
Host 2 1:57:23
So then why couldn't they just like transmit the data that way?
Host 1 1:57:29
That's what I'm saying. I mean, the biggest the biggest pothole in Star Wars is networking. Yeah, it's right it's a Wi Fi issue like
Host 2 1:57:38
There's no there's no star Facebook
Host 1 1:57:43
Yeah, I I think I think we could dedicate an entire episode and to how Star Wars would be different with the very most basic Yeah, like American online like, like a chain Empire online URL on URL.
Host 3 1:57:59
Yeah. Video gets mad at how long it takes me crushes the computer.
Host 2 1:58:03
You just mad at the trolls on this chat?
Host 1 1:58:06
You've got hologram you got Yeah, what was the original question? Oh,
Host 2 1:58:15
You're looking forward to in the new movie that's coming out and finding
Host 1 1:58:18
Rogue One. Yeah, one I'm looking forward to because I've seen the teaser trailer and then I then you said no did a moratorium on everything else. It wasn't so much saying no. Is it? It was just like, like, I don't I don't go to movies very often anymore. Like, I don't watch TV. So it was just like I would have to have gone and oh, and click the button click the button to watch it. And this is like yeah,
Host 3 1:58:46
I don't I don't want to go with this notification in my mind. Fair enough. Yeah, you know, yeah, I want to just be like This is fresh Star Wars restaurant right now.
Host 1 1:58:55
Right and and and what's interesting to me is this gonna set the tone for all of the Star Wars stories. Yeah, yeah. So and I'll do I do know a little bit about what's going on in the movie, from talking to people and reading a little bit but no, I haven't seen Tony images. But what I'm really excited about is the though in the way that I didn't love Godzilla, which was made by the Gareth Gareth Edwards.
Host 2 1:59:24
American Godzilla, the new
Host 1 1:59:27
Host 3 1:59:28
The newer 99
Host 1 1:59:29
I didn't I didn't I wasn't freaking out about it. But I loved it for a Godzilla film. I thought it was it was the the oh it
Host 2 1:59:37
Made you want Godzilla yeah at the end. Yeah, well, yeah,
Host 1 1:59:40
It made you kind of fall in love with Godzilla and and in so much is that's a serious feat. I like the idea that this same director has the first of the Star Wars stories enhance because if it's just going to be like, Okay, well, we know we know that these things are going to go on forever. Yeah, they like once they run out of Star Wars. As films every year, we will have A Star Wars Story every December Yeah. So it's it's important that they get this first one right. And, and it's great that they're bringing you know, I've been hearing the talk of Darth Vader and that's, that's awesome and stuff like that but we need more information about Snoke we need more information about the rise of the first order I think I would imagine a lot of that's going to be in there. Sure. You know what, I would almost guarantee you that there will be lots of tech hump out the Deathstar. Yeah and one Yeah, because this is all about the plans for the deaths. So we may
Host 3 2:00:36
It's gonna be love it or hate it. It's gonna
Host 2 2:00:38
Be like a like in the background, we run this hyper Mater, hyper Mater reactor with like, a killer boiler output, and all those like technical stats, and Stephens gonna be like, oh, yeah,
Host 3 2:00:52
I understand this.
Host 1 2:00:54
There's going to be a whole new technical aspect of Star Wars delivered by Rogue One.
Host 2 2:00:59
I hope so. Because it gives us content for next year.
Host 1 2:01:04
Next year over annual macro fab engineering podcast Star Wars Christmas Special.
Host 2 2:01:10
Yes. That's all time.
Host 3 2:01:12
So and with this story, this is the story of how they got the plan for the Deathstar. Remember, in
Host 1 2:01:18
No force users probably Yeah, probably. I mean, not not in the main characters. Cache is not there.
Host 3 2:01:25
There has to be there has to be somewhere they will push it in somehow. Yeah, they'll be
Host 1 2:01:31
Turned the Jedi. Like
Host 3 2:01:33
They're all meeting in the council before they go to Endor. And there's like the third woman in all of Star Wars right and and she was like many Bothans died to get these plans. I wonder if they're gonna do another movie about how they got the plans. The second time around for the shield generator on indoor.
Host 1 2:01:53
Or another one for the plans for Starkiller Base.
Host 3 2:01:57
It's another trilogy
Host 2 2:01:58
That didn't get plants. Remember, that was the whole thing.
Host 1 2:02:00
We're just new. Well, he was a janitor. Oh my gosh.
Host 2 2:02:07
Thing about that, about that movie was is like when Han says so it's bigger. We'll just figure out how to blow it up anyways.
Host 1 2:02:14
Right? How to blow it up. There's always a way to do that. That's that's something that's an attitude that hopefully will not be reflected in Rogue One. No, no, right.
Host 2 2:02:25
Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Yep.
Host 1 2:02:29
Can't wait. Merry Christmas, guys.
Host 2 2:02:30
Yeah. Merry Christmas, everyone.
Host 1 2:02:32
Is that it? Yeah,
Host 2 2:02:33
I think that's gonna finally wrap up this. It's seemingly long. Episode. Right. Insanely it's in I made up a word.
Host 1 2:02:42
Oh, you're saying obscene like an insanely?
Host 2 2:02:45
Yeah, sure. At the same time? Yeah. That'd be the excuse. No,
Host 1 2:02:49
I wasn't. It wasn't seemly long. Like did We did you sell people last week? This was gonna be you prepare them?
Host 3 2:02:54
No, not and where are you think we plan ahead now? Well, we did.
Host 2 2:02:59
I just told him that we were doing a stalwart around you. Well, I only tweeted a picture of our nice tree. Okay. And and the set earlier this morning, and we'll be splitting this up into multiple sections, releasing it all at once. And hopefully the video comes out and chunks. Well,
Host 1 2:03:18
One separation at the P brick we took. Yeah, yeah, that'll be the intersection two
Host 3 2:03:23
Or three. And we have Josh to thank for letting us use his studio and setting up all of this. Oh, yeah. Insanity.
Host 2 2:03:31
And he says this is the wrong way to set up a set, but I like
Host 1 2:03:34
It. Well, all I remember that as we we just put everything.
Host 3 2:03:40
We broke a lot of cardinal rules. Yeah, yeah. It was it. Yeah.
Host 1 2:03:42
Hopefully, hopefully, it matches the the aesthetic of our, of our of our nerdness just extending into all manner of things. And I
Host 3 2:03:53
I think we did well. Yeah, I
Host 2 2:03:55
Think we've covered a lot of bases. Game. I think we learned a lot on table. Yeah, but that's next year. So hopefully we are still doing this next year. And you want to sign us out Steven?
Host 3 2:04:07
Yeah, sure. That was the macro fab Star Wars engineering podcast Christmas special. That's episode number 46. We were your hosts Steven Craig and Parker. Gentlemen.
Host 1 2:04:18
I was your guest, Josh. Merry Christmas everyone. Take it easy.
Host 2 2:04:34
Please rewind tape.
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